"Pull Everything" in Dungeon Parties

[Fynlar]

A small part of me is convinced you're a troll but on the off chance I'm wrong...

You do not have "control of the run" as a tank. You are not "entitled" to anything special as a tank other than (probably) Adventurer in Need and my gratitude for doing a role I don't enjoy.

Sorry, you're wrong.

The tank is the designated puller and that's all there really is to it.

A really sad attitude - one can't help but wonder this seems to be such a problem for you? Are you in fact pulling poorly, increasing the likelyhood of dps grabbing another group while you smack away at a single mob?

It really isn't that much of a problem for me, to be honest.

Nowhere in the terms of service does it explicitly state that ONLY tanks are allowed to pull. Nowhere in the tutorial of the game, during any quest, UI element, or any other form of information in the game does it state that ONLY tanks are allowed to pull.

You're right.

Because it's something that *common sense* should be able to tell players on its own, by the time they see that most dungeon mobs are a lot stronger than open world mobs and are the whole reason they warrant having a tank present in the dungeon in the first place.

But something to think about: "I won't tank because someone else pulled." That IS against terms of service and is a reportable offense, which I will report someone for 10/10 times. I'm so sick of this "You should bow down to my will or else" attitude and you know what? I'm glad GMs punish people like that. They punish people like you because no matter what, you are not allowed to just sit there and refuse to do your job and contribute. This is a MMO. It's a team game built around cooperation. You are refusing to cooperate out of spite because you think you are better than others and you adhere to this unwritten rule that a few entitled individuals like you feel should be enforced because reasons. You are not better than others.

Yeah, tank focusing on what they pull is a reportable offense, but someone else trying to pull over the tank and essentially doing the same thing you are accusing tanks of, trying to force tanks to "bow down to my will or else", is perfectly fine, right? Hypocrisy at its finest.

As a tank you ARE REPLACEABLE.

Did you mean that we're always able to just hop in another dungeon? Because yeah, you're right. I've seen lots of groups held up for a while due to a missing tank though, based on the number of times I have queued inprog for a dungeon that's lasted 45m or more.

[Delorean]

Did you mean that we're always able to just hop in another dungeon? Because yeah, you're right. I've seen lots of groups held up for a while due to a missing tank though, based on the number of times I have queued inprog for a dungeon that's lasted 45m or more.

this isnt 2.0 lol

wait for a replacement tank is usually at longest like 10min...

[ximxim]

this isnt 2.0 lol

wait for a replacement tank is usually at longest like 10min...

10 min at the longest? come on now, we all know it's more than that to wait for a tank to hop in ... you ain't fooling nobody here

#delusionalpeeps

[savageink]

10 min at the longest? come on now, we all know it's more than that to wait for a tank to hop in ... you ain't fooling nobody here

#delusionalpeeps

Depends on when you play on Primal. As a DPS I've had days where I get instaqued repeatedly. (Within a minute or two at least.) My queues average 15 minutes normally.

[ximxim]

Depends on when you play on Primal. As a DPS I've had days where I get instaqued repeatedly. (Within a minute or two at least.) My queues average 15 minutes normally.

Say that to other threads out there where people desperately complaint about the long que time just waiting for a tank to pop out lel! Heck, they (DPS) even suggest SE to give them bonus exp based on how long they que for a DF... LMAO!!

[Fynlar]

Definitely agree that POTD has made this particular issue worse; there was a marked increase in how much I saw this behavior in 3.x compared to 2.x and I highly suspect the blame lies there.

I'm not fond of "chain pulls" where the tank takes off before the last mob is dead, because that often results in half the MP/TP regenerating on the other players, so you start the next fight at half strength.

I do this sometimes to keep the steady pace going, but I understand the whole reduced regeneration thing and I don't start running until the last mob is around critical HP (and I usually use a stun here to stick him in place before I run, if he's not already been made stun immune by Holy spam or something).

Also while we're on that subject, as a non-tank, it's important to note your own MP/TP after a fight when a longer pull is being made; if you're still recovering it is probably wise not to throw DoTs and such at the various mobs as they're being pulled so that you remain "out of combat" for longer and can recover more quickly before the next pull is settled and you engage.

[MirielleLavandre]

I made a thread awhile back that got a lot of support and agreement about how there is not a shortage of tanks, but just a shortage of tanks willing to use the DF. This topic is an excellent example of why I don't tank DF with pugs, and according to my thread and the responses there and here, it is the most wise decision. Just don't PUG -- and you can avoid all of this // let people who think tanks don't decide the pace based on their experience/comfort level/gear, etc. pull all they want and/or kick tanks all they want (good luck with those queues should you not find a tank searching for in-progess). Do yourself a favor and just do roulettes/dungeons with friends and FC mates.

Some other thoughts from non-DF tanks: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...tage-of-tanks.

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

Do yourself a favor and just do roulettes/dungeons with friends and FC mates.

Ah, a voice of reason.

this isnt 2.0 lol

wait for a replacement tank is usually at longest like 10min...

10 minutes... assuming that there is someone in the party with friends or fc mates willing or able to help.

[Fynlar]

this isnt 2.0 lol

wait for a replacement tank is usually at longest like 10min...

Say that to the 45m+ in prog dungeon queues I still land in to this day.

Also, say that to the parties I've had as a non-tank where the tank bailed and the wait was so long I eventually had to reach out to my server's NN for a replacement (as well as the lamenting when I realize I got idle kicked from my NN prior to entering the dungeon, preventing me from being able to make the request for help)

[Avatre]

Say that to the 45m+ in prog dungeon queues I still land in to this day.

That's not how long they've been waiting for a tank though. That's how long since the dungeon started with a full 4 man group.