"Pull Everything" in Dungeon Parties

[Guitaristron]

Had a similar issue with someone pulling all the mobs even bosses in a dungeon. So i let him/her the final boss cause i knew it was going to happen and let them tank. Believe me they learned it was hilarious too cause the healer and me where in discord so it was well planned lol

[DJaySaint]

There is a rule of mine i tend to follow very well... If you pull, you tank. I have had times where i litterally left the boss room because other people act like asses and pull before i do pull.

Yes you will think of me as an ass myself, but i there is something called respect, if you are not happy with my speed, then your problem, if you are dps then man up and suck it up, without us tanks you won't get into a dungeon or even get far in a dungeon. If you are healer, why are you worrying about speed? You should be worried about keeping us alive when we get into the boss! Want speed? Then dps during the boss when i have a cooldown up!

Meh. I wasn't going to reply to this thread because the toxicity and self entitlement are insane, but the vocal minority really need to understand something. Long reply coming.

People like you are the problem.

Nowhere in the terms of service does it explicitly state that ONLY tanks are allowed to pull. Nowhere in the tutorial of the game, during any quest, UI element, or any other form of information in the game does it state that ONLY tanks are allowed to pull. This is something made up by a few entitled individuals who think they are God's gift to the player base just because they are playing a tank.

News flash: pressing Flash and 1-2-3 is not hard. You are no better than anyone else just because you have a blue icon. Your JOB is to protect the group, not get primadonna on everyone and go diva mode. If someone pulls? Sure you might be upset, but they are probably doing it for a reason. You are slow and inadequate and need to pick up the pace. Or maybe people just find bigger pulls more fun and exciting because it adds stress to the otherwise incredibly mundane situation. Some people like to push their limits because that is how you get BETTER. Just because you get your feelings hurt does not mean it gives you the right to NOT DO YOUR JOB. This is real life. As you say, man up and suck it up. Without DPS you don't get far in dungeons either because you still need to kill things. Without healers you won't survive long because you still need to live to win fights. Your role is important, but not more important than others.

But something to think about: "I won't tank because someone else pulled." That IS against terms of service and is a reportable offense, which I will report someone for 10/10 times. I'm so sick of this "You should bow down to my will or else" attitude and you know what? I'm glad GMs punish people like that. They punish people like you because no matter what, you are not allowed to just sit there and refuse to do your job and contribute. This is a MMO. It's a team game built around cooperation. You are refusing to cooperate out of spite because you think you are better than others and you adhere to this unwritten rule that a few entitled individuals like you feel should be enforced because reasons. You are not better than others. If someone pulls extra and it's a problem? Fine. Do your job, then after ask them to stop. They do it again? That is what the vote kick feature is for. Deliberately wasting other peoples' time because you got your feelings hurt is not acceptable anywhere. The fact that there are people who agree with that behavior is disgusting.

Stop thinking your time is more precious than others just because you are a tank. It's not. We have roles and jobs for a reason, everyone is equally important in groups. And guess what? As a tank you ARE REPLACEABLE. Especially in higher end content. I would suggest you take that "I matter more than you and therefore you should do everything I want or else" attitude elsewhere because entitlement won't get you very far in life.

You talk about respect but you clearly don't respect others. Respect is a two way street. You want people to respect you? Respect their time as well. If the healer is good and can heal big pulls, and the DPS is good and clearly shreds mobs VERY fast, then why be opposed to pulling more out of principle other than to have some artificial power over people and go "I'm the tank you do what I want or else"?

From a tank's perspective: I love big pulls. The bigger the better. It's a challenge holding everything, protecting my group, and staying alive during the process. Plus if you can handle it, people are more likely to go "holy crap what a badass"

From a healer's perspective: I love big pulls. The bigger the better. It's fun and engaging to find ways to mitigate the damage, DPS, and keep the tank upright at the same time. If you can handle it, people are more likely to go "holy crap this healer is a goddess"

From a DPS' perspective: I love big pulls. The bigger the better. It's just fun blowing stuff up. There is something more inherently satisfying Flaring 10 mobs and setting the world on fire than just beating on 2 with Fire.

Not everyone pulls more because "mah time". A lot of people pull more because they want something fun and engaging to do, and big pulls force you to pay attention. Baby pulls are mundane and people tend to just go auto pilot and do the bare minimum effort. If you have any respect for others, you would consider that also the next time you want to go "I'm better than thou" and refuse to tank. You are not the only person in the group. There are 3, 7, or 23 others to consider as well. If you are truly uncomfortable with more than the bare minimum and are a spiteful person, then maybe playing a tank isn't for you. Your job is to protect the group no matter what, including deliberate extra pulling or even accidental aggro. Same as healers who refuse to heal. It's still their job to protect the group.

Instead of going scorched earth and deliberately not doing your job, most of the problems can be solved at the very beginning of the dungeon by simply asking "do you guys prefer big pulls or small pulls?" Then if you still have someone who pulls big after everyone else said small, finish out that pull then vote kick them. Because it was already established at the start, the vote kick will go through almost every time. THAT is how the situation should be handled.

If I see a tank (or healer) refusing to do their job, I will GM them every time. It might be funny to you to let others die and refuse to contribute, but it's more funny to me to watch you get punished by a GM for doing so, up to and including getting banned if this is a normal behavior and you have been reported multiple times for doing it. For diva tanks out there, you might want to keep that in mind. There are players who don't worship the ground you walk on just because you happen to be a tank that instance. So stop acting like they should.

[Faliandra]

My, my, my why so many players imagine the motivations, the playtime, playstyle and interest form other players? They are not you and you are not them... People are so fast to judge and abuse of a priori.

The common point of all of them : they all always consider your gear is OP. You are in levelling, it is not your main job, nevermind, just rush, rush, rush.

DF when you are levelling? Short geared? Are you serious? You silly fool.

Seriously...

"Seriously?" <-- That should be my line D:

Im lvling my PLD right now, and in case you missed it: you get one piece of gear per leveling dungeon suiting your class and its not too uncommon to get some other drops.
So your gear improves CONSTANTLY.

So...I'm tanking with big pulls. In a lvling dungeon. without being max level or max il gear. without it being my main class or focus. In DF.

Crazy stuff, I know.

@Faliandra

What if the dungeon is the way to get gear since you are in levelling? Just do worst, go levelling 70 with Fates and gear with tome rather than really playing and training your job?

Seriously?

I use common sense and roll on gear for the classes I intend to play next whenever I do stuff like roulettes on my other classes. I even already had my il 310 ala mhigan tomestone gear ready for my classes before they hit 70...just by running expert sometimes or doing some hunts. other than that, see what I wrote above: you get AT LEAST 1 upgrade per dungeon run.

[Zojha]

you are defending tiny pack by pack pulls in a tank postion, when all he has to do is use flash or unleash three times...

And big pulls can be healed by using largesse - Aspected Benefic - Spam Benefic II. Good to know healers are overwhelmed by this intense 2-1-1-1-1-2-1-1-1-1-2 rotation with a cooldown at the start.

Seriously, healing large pulls is easy. The hard part comes when you do big pulls and want to weave in some Gravities as well, because then you need to go Aspected Bene -> Wheel of Fortune (Extend both) and hope for a Bole, or use Lightspeed with Celestial Opposition (And Lucid Dreaming for Manareg).

WHM has it easier. Swiftcast Holy gives you enough time for Aero III and another Holy, maybe one more afterwards, depending. After that, Regen + Cure II spam, use Benediction if you want more DPS. You finally get to use those damn lilies and the abilities tied to it, too.

[Eldevern]

But there are not only 70 dungeons! That's the point you don't consider. Where does the OP told it was only about 70's dungeons?

What about ALL dungeons that are between 50 and 70 for people who are levelling? (And in which big pulls are possible)

In fact you don't care, you just consider all players should do as you do whatever IRL is. But IRL matters, you like it or not. But if you don't care, suffer they don't care either.

[odintius]

I just don't care anymore for when I do duty finder pugs, I deal with the cards I was dealt with and i move on. /Shrugs I usually ask my fc if they want to run because I know what to expect Everytime....

[mooferz]

Seriously, healing large pulls is easy.

It's only easy when your tank isn't made of wet tissue paper and not using cooldowns which unfortunately happens more often than you think.

[Faliandra]

But there are not only 70 dungeons! That's the point you don't consider. Where does the OP told it was only about 70's dungeons?

What about ALL dungeons that are between 50 and 70 for people who are levelling? (And in which big pulls are possible)

In fact you don't care, you just consider all players should do as you do whatever IRL is. But IRL matters, you like it or not. But if you don't care, suffer they don't care either.

where did I only consider lvl 70 dungeons? Didnt I say I am in the process of currently lvling my PLD myself,meaning it isnt max lvl yet?
Did I not mention getting a GUARANTEED upgrade per run on top of random drops where its not unlikely to get a piece or two either?

And lastly: Did I really just IMAGINE all the dungeon runs on my AST during Early Access where everyone had crappy gear and where everyone had to get used to their new class adjustments
and quite a few tanks STILL managed to do at least double pulls that had like 6+ mobs? And damn, I was dpsing too! Mustve been hallucinating, I guess.

Honestly, I am tired of arguing with you. it is just too obvious that you dont know what people are capable of doing. I dislike saying it, but in some cases its really just a matter of people who need to "git gud".

[Leptorhynchoides]

I find it more entertaining with these kind of pulls, it wakes up people.

And it is just not about lvl 70 dugeons, yesterday I healed through a WAR that even pulled 4 groups in Shisui of the Violet Tides as a underleveled and slightly undergeared WHM, and had no problems handling it.

[Eldevern]

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I don't talk for myself. As OP asked : where is the place for all people who are not comfortable with big pulls for a reason or another? Some replies sound only like : none.

Ok. If you are fine with such replies and way of thinking, we have nothing to say to each other. You're right. At least on one point, we agree.


EDIT -general, not linked to the quote- :

That said, I have nothing about big pulls but I remember all players are not in FFXIV since ARR bêta as I am, not all players are levelling all jobs, all players are not spending the same time IG and, lastly all players don't have the same self-confidence (and it is an IRL matters nobody is able to judge for other and we can't guess what kind of self-confidence players have). I can't blame someone who prefers a safe run rather than a speed run that fails because of wipes or kicks that kill the "fast" because of the waiting next.