"Pull Everything" in Dungeon Parties

[phishstix]

Had a run like that in 67 dungeon. just like Heavensward, SB dungeons have that cut off point where stuff starts to hit really freaking hard. bardams mettle and onward. And it even continues somewhere at certain points in 70 dungeons. The game is not going anywhere there is really no need to rush or be rude to the tanks who could simply just STOP queuing for DF pugs for good and stick with their fc. They don't really need us but we need them, unless you have a tank of your own, which most don't.

Chill out, the game will still be here tomorrow and probably another half decade from now.

[Fynlar]

Most retarded argument ever made in history "just play tank yourself".

You want control of the run that you are not entitled to as a non-tank.

I think it's definitely more logical than wherever it is you're coming from.

[Faliandra]

You want control of the run that you are not entitled to as a non-tank.

I think it's definitely more logical than wherever it is you're coming from.

I'm not entitled to anything as a tank.
If the rest of the party can't keep up with what I do I can't go "omg guys. I'm the tank. I'm entitled to having it go MY way. Git gud!"

Get it into your head already. GDI.

[MoroMurasaki]

You want control of the run that you are not entitled to as a non-tank.

I think it's definitely more logical than wherever it is you're coming from.

A small part of me is convinced you're a troll but on the off chance I'm wrong...

You do not have "control of the run" as a tank. You are not "entitled" to anything special as a tank other than (probably) Adventurer in Need and my gratitude for doing a role I don't enjoy.

Also my inner healer can't help it - how much control do you have as a tank if the healer doesn't heal you? A remote control car is fun but without batteries it's just dead on the pavement.

[Intangir]

I pull as much as possible in 70 dungeons, but I look at the party beforehand.
-If both dps are new 70's, then I don't want to spend 5 min tanking 20mobs each pull.
-If healer is a new 70, I ask them what they prefer most of the time.
-If on the first pull dps don't use aoe abilities and single target, I stop large pulls (some dps refuse to aoe for some reason).
Other than that, I don't see much point of pulling slow.

In leveling Dungeon I pull as much as reasonably possible. If we wipe then I change pace.
If it is a FC group, I purposely pull too much just to screw with our healers.

Playing as AST/BRD, I can't stand when the tank waits between pulls, or gives all the bosses an epic stare-down before pulling them. If I am with a FC healer (as dps) or DPS (as healer) we will pull the next pack and just have the dps tank it if the tank doesn't grab them... unless the tank is genuinely new/fresh 70

[Fynlar]

I'm not entitled to anything as a tank.

As tank you are expected to be the one making pulls. Proper party procedure. Get it into your head already, GDI.

Hence why

1) It's the tank's responsibility to make pulls that both they and their party can handle
2) if anyone else tries to pull, I assume they must also want to tank whatever they just pulled

[bweisnicht]

As tank you are expected to be the one making pulls. Proper party procedure. Get it into your head already, GDI.

Hence why

1) It's the tank's responsibility to make pulls that both they and their party can handle
2) if anyone else tries to pull, I assume they must also want to tank whatever they just pulled

A really sad attitude - one can't help but wonder this seems to be such a problem for you? Are you in fact pulling poorly, increasing the likelyhood of dps grabbing another group while you smack away at a single mob?

From my experience, those making extra pulls as a non-tank are usually the people I want in my party. With the number of dungeons possible to get in leveling, 50/60 etc roulettes, there are many I haven't played in years, and many I haven't played with current gear levels. A risky pull from years ago may be child's play now, or I simply may not know there's another pack around the next corner. Additionally, I can bet that a dps pulling extra mobs knows to use an aoe rotation; sadly this is not a given.

To me it seems nothing more than a case of your ego getting bruised when someone performs part of the role you feel "entitled" to as a tank.

[Coatl]

Why does 1 person get to decide the flow of the dungeon? If everyone else wants to pull large, why not oblige them? You're literally the smallest factor in the success of large pulls.

[ilea]

Why does 1 person get to decide the flow of the dungeon? If everyone else wants to pull large, why not oblige them?

In fairness, it's rarely more than one person who mentions pulling big. The tank may ask at the start of the dungeon, but it's rare to get a reply -- an actual miracle if the rest of the party speaks up.

Also on that thought: the person who objects may know they're incapable of handling big pulls. This would be the case for a tank (they don't know the dungeon and aren't comfortable) or the healer (all sorts of things can go wrong here)!

[Avatre]

This would be the case for a tank (they don't know the dungeon and aren't comfortable) or the healer (all sorts of things can go wrong here)!

Yup, until I get comfortable and more knowledgeable about the changes that were made to tanks, I will be pulling smaller(probably not 1 group of three only, but probably 2). Once I'm comfortable and confident I can handle more, and the healer agrees/mentions they can handle more, then I will pull larger.

As for healing...I have to fix my skillbars still for that, then I will try it out with (hopefully) smaller pulls.