Drk question. When not to Grit?

[Sarcatica]

When did this happen :O

Ever since 4.0 iirc. DRKs in Lakshmi Ex for example uses this opener on the boss, as opposed to having to do Grit. Susano on the other end is pretty much straight from Grit for 1 Power Slash combo into dropping for no penalty.

[EvilJoshy]

Can we just sticky this to every subforum on the site? Too many new Tanks are being force fed the idea that tank stance is somehow bad.

Stance dancing is something skilled people do when they've learned an encounter sufficiently that they can predict the 'tank buster' attacks. We need to train the new Tanks to be tanks first, Advanced play after that is maximizing DPS lol.

In HW I joined a new static and right at the beginning I told them to turn "off" their parsers. Don't even look at your DPS. If your getting the most out of your CD's by ignoring mechanics your not making progress. If you make it to the end of the fight without dying and lose to the enrage you didn't fail. You know the fight now. At that point you need to learn when to pop your CD's, come back when you got better gear or get a better party :P

[Lyrai_Celestine]

In HW I joined a new static and right at the beginning I told them to turn "off" their parsers. Don't even look at your DPS. If your getting the most out of your CD's by ignoring mechanics your not making progress. If you make it to the end of the fight without dying and lose to the enrage you didn't fail. You know the fight now. At that point you need to learn when to pop your CD's, come back when you got better gear or get a better party :P

I believe DPS parsers are better used after beating the boss first so that people don't focus on high DPS, but rather doing all the mechanics. I agree to your statement.

I mean, no one has to blame anyone when one DPS is doing lower DPS than usual, but still complete the duty! We'll just say: "You're doing good, but you can always optimize your rotation!" or something positive

[RaizeGraymalkin]

Can we just sticky this to every subforum on the site? Too many new Tanks are being force fed the idea that tank stance is somehow bad.

Stance dancing is something skilled people do when they've learned an encounter sufficiently that they can predict the 'tank buster' attacks. We need to train the new Tanks to be tanks first, Advanced play after that is maximizing DPS lol.

This so god damn much. The idea that a Tank using their TANK stance is frowned upon is just puzzling.

Honestly SE should just get rid of Tank stances and have it be a trait or something. Obviously not so simple as that, as things will have to be changed, but they seem to send a mixed message. I feel like they WANT you to be in tank stance more, but then Blood Weapon exists and Fell Cleave exists. It's really weird.

[BluexBird]

Not sure if someone mentioned this or not, but a lot of it depends on your healers. I usually start off pushing my limits without my tank stance, and then turn it on if I notice the healers are having a hard time, OR if I notice things might be going down the wrong path (like if one of the healers die).

A classic example of this is in Susano, after the third Stormsplitter later on, one player will get locked and everyone will have to jump to the other side of the map. In most of the parties I have been in, this phase is always risky as hell to do without my tank stance. I don't know what it is, it kinda feels like my healers just suddenly forgot about me. Even though I have Rampart + Convalescence on, if I'm not on tank stance I just keep seeing my HP repeatedly drop, and I've even died a couple of times to this. -_-

So pretty much just drop Grit as soon as you feel you have enough enmity, and see how your healers react to it. This is how you learn what you are and aren't able to get away with, and you'll improve over time. But it will largely depend on how good your healers are. And if you have REALLY bad healers, dropping your tank stance will usually end up in you dying.

[KDSilver]

Sorry for not giving you any answer about your topic but, i just want to make a fun comment with tanks we can meet right now, and for them, it should be "when to ACTUALLY KEEP YOUR FUCK*NG GRIT ON "

[EbonySeraphim]

A classic example of this is in Susano, after the third Stormsplitter later on, one player will get locked and everyone will have to jump to the other side of the map. In most of the parties I have been in, this phase is always risky as hell to do without my tank stance. I don't know what it is, it kinda feels like my healers just suddenly forgot about me. Even though I have Rampart + Convalescence on, if I'm not on tank stance I just keep seeing my HP repeatedly drop, and I've even died a couple of times to this. -_-

Hahaha. I can tell you why that is (I main WHM): we're so focused on the mechanic + the person who's about to take the lightning damage that the tank's HP status isn't being evaluated as frequently. We also think it's "OK" because we know there's no tank buster going on during this phase so surely you must not be dying....right? It's bad but I consciously noticed I do that and try to have a regen or two up on the tank during this.