Regarding: Centurio Tiger mount

[SokiYagami]

The idea is to keep someone either playing constantly or playing for years. It's not a requirement, it's a reward. If someone did all that and got nothing then what? The reward can't be gamebreaking so most are just cosmetic and this one is coincidentally just a mount. Whoever gets that mount will have a badge of honor.

There is the carrot on a stick and then there's a carrot on the world's longest selfie stick. Most of the debate on this thread is with regard to the latter, and on rare occasion, on how the carrot is too tiny or unappealing.

[Tint]

so AGAIN they nerfed the requirements to get a mount, wich wasn't even that rare.

6 ixion horns for gold, means you need only 2 fates instead of 6. i camped whole days to get my Ixion, over 2 weeks. that was a joke compared to the tiger, but still i invested some time and now they hand the mount out much easier.

just - WHY?

why can everyone have my Fenrir, my Ixion, my Ex Primal Mounts now for much less work but i can't have the PvP and Hunt Mounts?

no i don't ask to hand me out that PvP and Hunt mounts, i ask to stop hand out the rewards from all the other content.

[FedoraTheExplorer]

so AGAIN they nerfed the requirements to get a mount, wich wasn't even that rare.

6 ixion horns for gold, means you need only 2 fates instead of 6. i camped whole days to get my Ixion, over 2 weeks. that was a joke compared to the tiger, but still i invested some time and now they hand the mount out much easier.

just - WHY?

why can everyone have my Fenrir, my Ixion, my Ex Primal Mounts now for much less work but i can't have the PvP and Hunt Mounts?

no i don't ask to hand me out that PvP and Hunt mounts, i ask to stop hand out the rewards from all the other content.

So? I invested time into Ixion as well, and I'm actually glad they increased the rewards. Weeks of camping wasn't fun. I wouldn't wish that on anyone. The EX Primal mounts? Old content. Fenrir? Not even hard to get. Just a really long grind. What a ridiculous sense of entitlement. Sorry, not everything in this game needs to be rare and for the few.




Now, this tiger mount is one I don't see myself ever getting. The requirements are just way too much.

[SokiYagami]

So? I invested time into Ixion as well, and I'm actually glad they increased the rewards. Weeks of camping wasn't fun. I wouldn't wish that on anyone. The EX Primal mounts? Old content. Fenrir? Not even hard to get. Just a really long grind. What a ridiculous sense of entitlement. Sorry, not everything in this game needs to be rare and for the few.




Now, this tiger mount is one I don't see myself ever getting. The requirements are just way too much.

Same, I sank a good amount of time camping for ixion but I don't mind others having an easier time obtaining it. It doesn't devalue my ixion mount or anything. I find it a good gesture now that the other players who haven't got it yet will have a easier time getting it and less congestion on the map for players that need to be there for any other reasons.

[Vidu]

why can everyone have my Fenrir, my Ixion, my Ex Primal Mounts now for much less work but i can't have the PvP and Hunt Mounts?

Do you want those mounts because you genuily like them or because they are "special"? Why is it hurting you that they're easier to get?
I grinded my Fenrir-exp for four months or so (because it became as easy as it is now) because I fell in love with him the first time I saw him in snowcloak. I wanted that mount because of the mount - not because to feel special in any way. Same with all my EX-primal-mounts. They dont lose value for me because someone else can have them too. I have several PvP-mounts aswell and I love my little horsie - not because it makes me special but because I like the mount itself...
(also: in a sense you've got an easier time now to get certain PvP-mounts. PvP itself got "nerfed" and made more attractive, so now your queuetimes are down to 5 minutes instead of the 2 hours I used to wait back in the old days... there you go: you still have to put an effort into it, even though its a little less than I had to do. Same with the other mounts you've mentioned. A person still has to do the FATE for Ixion. A person still has to get a million MGP for Fenrir. A person still has to clear an EX-primal 99 times or get lucky with the drop for the birds. Everything got a little easier - or rather: less time consuming.)

And specially in the case of Ixion its a very good thing that will hopefully help to get people out of The Lochs and make it possible to remove instances soon - they're more of a hassle than a few people feeling less special because they have to share their mount...

[Stormfur]

At least with most of the other mounts:

1) Ixion horns were increased (and there are still several instances / chances to get it)
2) MGP rewards were increased, making Fenrir more obtainable
3) Ex primals used to not have the 99 token option - that was added if your RNG was truly abysmal

Those are a step in the right direction. Now if they would look at the Tiger achievement and the mentor one along these same lines, that would be admirable.

[Hen-Hen]

I like grinds. I got every anima relic weapon completed before SB. I pounded my way through 2000 mentor roulettes. I cleared sophex 124 while it was current content. I'm well on my way to hitting level 70 on every class. I'm casually grinding tank clears out. I'm very efficient about how to go about grinding things out and how to fit everything together in such a way that I can grind out multiple things at once. I like to wow and amaze by having cleared not just one insane grind, but multiple.

I live for grinds. I am an achievement chaser.

I took one look at the requirements for the tiger mount and the time it would actually take and decided that even for someone like me, who literally grinds stuff out until it's done, that it was impossible. You don't get the tiger mount if you're just getting into hunting now. You get the tiger mount if you've done nothing but hunt since hunts were a twinkle in daddy yoshi's eye. That's the problem: I'd grind it out for three months (like I did with mentors), or plan my resources carefully to maximise progress (like I did with anima), or I'd do literally nothing else until I had enough tokens (like I did with sophex), but the tiger mount will take actual years if you do anything but chase it, and still take over a year to get, which is way too long.

[SokiYagami]

I like grinds. I got every anima relic weapon completed before SB. I pounded my way through 2000 mentor roulettes. I cleared sophex 124 while it was current content. I'm well on my way to hitting level 70 on every class. I'm casually grinding tank clears out. I'm very efficient about how to go about grinding things out and how to fit everything together in such a way that I can grind out multiple things at once. I like to wow and amaze by having cleared not just one insane grind, but multiple.

I live for grinds. I am an achievement chaser.

I took one look at the requirements for the tiger mount and the time it would actually take and decided that even for someone like me, who literally grinds stuff out until it's done, that it was impossible. You don't get the tiger mount if you're just getting into hunting now. You get the tiger mount if you've done nothing but hunt since hunts were a twinkle in daddy yoshi's eye. That's the problem: I'd grind it out for three months (like I did with mentors), or plan my resources carefully to maximise progress (like I did with anima), or I'd do literally nothing else until I had enough tokens (like I did with sophex), but the tiger mount will take actual years if you do anything but chase it, and still take over a year to get, which is way too long.

Pretty much. I'd had gotten the mentor roulette too if not because I didn't like the design of it. I love to grind for stuff, but this is on another level. The biggest issue with the tiger mount is, there's an artificial time gating behind it and you will more or less be tunneled into a single content while grinding for it. And with the recent change to veteran program, it really makes me wonder why SE decided on this achievement which put fresh players/hunters at a disadvantage when they finally decided to add the tiger mount into the game. Contradiction much?

And let's be real, hunting doesn't need any more incentive if it follows the previous pattern.

[LineageRazor]

What irritates me is that S-ranks don't NEED an incentive to bring them down. Even during times when the hunt-hype dies down, there's rarely difficulty wrangling enough folks to down an S-rank mob.

A reward like this should be granted for doing stuff like megaboss FATEs - Coeurlregina, Behemoth, Odin, and so on. Right now, once folks get their fedora or whatever, they tend to have little interest in hunting the kitty. Lock a mount behind 2000 wins, and folks will be more likely to join in. Personally, I'd keep the requirements loose (2000 wins of ANY megaboss, so that folks will be as hyped for Odin as they would be for Ixion).

But a reward for long term hunters? Unnecessary. If anything, hunts could use some DISincentives, since popular hunts are already way overcrowded. (Or, more ideally, make hunt marks tougher.) At least Astrope had the advantage that it got more mentors doing roulettes (even if the quality of those mentors took a sharp downturn...).

[SokiYagami]

What irritates me is that S-ranks don't NEED an incentive to bring them down. Even during times when the hunt-hype dies down, there's rarely difficulty wrangling enough folks to down an S-rank mob.

A reward like this should be granted for doing stuff like megaboss FATEs - Coeurlregina, Behemoth, Odin, and so on. Right now, once folks get their fedora or whatever, they tend to have little interest in hunting the kitty. Lock a mount behind 2000 wins, and folks will be more likely to join in. Personally, I'd keep the requirements loose (2000 wins of ANY megaboss, so that folks will be as hyped for Odin as they would be for Ixion).

But a reward for long term hunters? Unnecessary. If anything, hunts could use some DISincentives, since popular hunts are already way overcrowded. (Or, more ideally, make hunt marks tougher.) At least Astrope had the advantage that it got more mentors doing roulettes (even if the quality of those mentors took a sharp downturn...).

While I agree with your suggestion, if the tiger mount was to be moved to mega boss FATEs, they will have to drop the number sharply to like 200 or even 100. Reason being there's much lesser mega boss FATEs than S ranks and they too have artificial time gate.

Personally I still think we should get an alternative way to obtain the tiger mount. So if a veteran hunter got it by hunting, good for them, but for late starters perhaps they could obtain it via another method that will hopefully have a beneficial effect or something. Like one I suggested before; reward for getting all 3 SB tank mounts. That's a whole load of time sink and effort required, you CAN do a verity of content to obtain it and best of all, it help shorten DF queue time. A small bonus where the tiger mount also fit in the beast theme for tank mounts too. Or perhaps 1000 mentor roulette? It's a good mid-way reward for those farming for Astrope, additional bonus on top of the previous suggestion in that you can run any job instead.