Lazy Healers In Parties of Eight

[Mikki]

Yet so many people say that using Medica 2 + Regen is a waste of MP(a recent post in the Tales from Duty Finder for example). Personally, when I play my WHM, I tend to throw those up and DPS until I know I need to heal the tank. Those two just help prolong that DPS time.

I don't think they're a waste of MP at all; they will continuously keep someone healed if they happen to take any more damage so you don't have to worry about them for awhile and it allows you to DPS more. I feel like spending a bit more mana is perfectly fine for the trade-off of doing more DPS. Especially since now, you have very little excuse for running out of mana as a whm. Assize, Lucid Dreaming, Thin Air.... plus any outside help, like manashift. Unless the DPS is very low from the ACTUAL DPS, making things take longer than necessary, I don't really have any issues with my MP. Heck, in 4-man dungeons I spam the hell out of holy (heh) and I still don't run out of MP.

edit: lol, well... with that example, I can see why they would say "why", depending on the context. Everyone is at full health, yet everyone has regen + medica 2 on them. If this was placed for no reason and no expected damage is incoming, then yeah. Why? But if people were at half health and are now topped BECAUSE of those things, then what are you whining about??? Although honestly I don't see a need to keep regen on anyone but the tank if I have medica 2 up. Or if a DPS is particularly hurt - but I don't generally put it on the entire party.

[Cenerae]

Yet so many people say that using Medica 2 + Regen is a waste of MP(a recent post in the Tales from Duty Finder for example). Personally, when I play my WHM, I tend to throw those up and DPS until I know I need to heal the tank. Those two just help prolong that DPS time.


Edit: Here is where that Tales from DF example starts:

Context for that picture is pretty important, though. It's Leviathan (presumably on hard and not extreme since DF). The presence of medica II there is fine...the presence of a regen on every person in the group is both time and mana inefficient.

In 4 mans, medica II is not a particularly mana efficient way to help keep the tank healed, but it's not strictly bad to do if the end goal is 'I can fit in extra DPS casts'. I find it less important with the removal of cleric stance, so I don't tend to do it anymore, but I used to and don't hate on those that do.

[Mikki]

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Great points. In 4 mans, I will use medica 2 any time the party takes a big hit or more unavoidable damage is incoming. It's a good way to keep things under wraps while freeing yourself to DPS or focus on only the tank if necessary. I wouldn't use regen on everyone in an 8 man. I might end up using it on almost everyone in a 4-man though (but not casting it one after another, just if it ends up that way since medica is usually better if everyone needs healing anyway).

[NintenPyjak64]

If a person only heals and the tank dies from auto attack, that healer is bad. If all he does is healing hes very bad.

This is a pretty good summary of some of my last dungeon runs, especially when the healer decides to still use 260 Shire gear in CASTRUM ALBANIA!

[Avatre]

Context for that picture is pretty important, though. It's Leviathan (presumably on hard and not extreme since DF). The presence of medica II there is fine...the presence of a regen on every person in the group is both time and mana inefficient.

In 4 mans, medica II is not a particularly mana efficient way to help keep the tank healed, but it's not strictly bad to do if the end goal is 'I can fit in extra DPS casts'. I find it less important with the removal of cleric stance, so I don't tend to do it anymore, but I used to and don't hate on those that do.

I will concede that the Regen on top of the double Medica II is a bit excessive, and a waste of DPS time. But I(like Mikki said), will use Medica II on boss fights where AoE damage that is unavoidable is a regular occurrence. If not, then I will just throw a single regen on the tank and continue to DPS as normal, then throw whatever heals are needed.

[Fynlar]

I certainly enjoy it when I get a raise, but then proceed to get no heals for the next 10-15 seconds as both of the healers are just mindlessly spamming Glare, so I get immediately KO'd again by the next roomwide. Thanks a lot, you twits. Dunno why you even bothered with the raise.

People wanting to DPS but playing healer/tank to do it for the faster queues are one of the biggest plagues in this game, IMO.

[Shialan]

Can you guys not stop replying to every thread that person necros? It's just obvious trolling by now because they don't even provide any meaningful discussion points.

[Fynlar]

Can you guys not stop replying to every thread that person necros? It's just obvious trolling by now because they don't even provide any meaningful discussion points.

Can you focus your ire on the person actually trying to disrupt the forum? (Plus, you replied to it too...)

I don't check every thread I'm about to post in to make sure it isn't a necropost. Sue me.

Plus the little anecdote about lazy healers I shared actually did happen just now to me today, so the subject was still fresh on my mind.

[Hysterior]

Why...

OVERHEAL RATE 400%
CONTRIBUTION TO PARTY 0%

[Warlyx]

OVERHEAL RATE 400%
CONTRIBUTION TO PARTY 0%

lol

necro thread