Lazy Healers In Parties of Eight

[Aomine1992]

Lol this is why I do not enjoy healing anymore like I did in HW, either you're not doing enough dps or either you're not healing enough or you're lazy.....My experience with dps healers especially SCHs is they ignore healing and when shit hits the fan they are still casting broil, they don't raise or anything so in an 8 man that isn't something old I rather my co healer actually heal if you wanna weave some dps in between then do so but remember your main role

[Avatre]

Lol this is why I do not enjoy healing anymore like I did in HW, either you're not doing enough dps or either you're not healing enough or you're lazy.....My experience with dps healers especially SCHs is they ignore healing and when shit hits the fan they are still casting broil, they don't raise or anything so in an 8 man that isn't something old I rather my co healer actually heal if you wanna weave some dps in between then do so but remember your main role

Happens in 4man as well. I had to use HG before the first boss due to a healer not healing. Wasn't even doing large pulls(it had been a while since I last tanked, so was doing small groups in Doma Castle). Had to use HG a few more times that run...none of them on a boss.

Edit: My gear wasn't that great either because RNG hates me, and I didn't have the funds to buy anything better than Augmented Shire.

[LineageRazor]

If a healer is DPSing, I wouldn't call them lazy. Depending on the fight, they may be foolish, but foolish is not the same as lazy. A healer needs to gauge how much time they spend healing, and how much time they spend DPSing. If a healer is letting the group wipe because they're too focused on DPS, they've made a very poor decision, but at least they're spending their time doing something.

Lazy is a better descriptor for healers who, when no one needs healing, simply do nothing. There are a lot of 8-man fights in this game where a single healer is more than sufficient, and yet two are still required. It's not at all a bad idea for the second healer to go full DPS.

[Averax]

In a lot of 8man groups i see my other healer just sort of standing there. I swear they alt tab sometimes because they don't always move and don't always react to raid damage going out, and when they finally do act, it's just maybe a cure. Meanwhile i'm out there, guns blazing, cooldowns popped, bringing the group back from the edge.

I never realized how much effort i was putting out compared to other healers until i solo healed ravana ex, and didn't feel much difference in stress levels.

I like getting another healer who tries, though. I can relax.

[AriWindrunner]

Meh; way too often I find myself going "Do something, ANYTHING." when it comes to the 2nd healer in the 8-man group. I just did Castrum and because I was reading this thread on my other screen whilst I was qeued up I paid notice....the other healer cast Medica 2 just before the 2nd boss (you know; when Cid has to drag his behind to said boss)....no seriously; that's all he did... no dps; no other heals, nothing..... he cast 1 medica 2 on an entire dungeon

If that's that new norm for off-healers people talk about then I can totally understand now why healers are so sparse these days; either you have to work your *** off keeping everyone alive with the rush-rush-rush that's also the norm (yeah I've seen tanks try to rush Expert roulettes too and blame the healer when they get killed by pulling 99+ mobs), or you get another healer in the group who doesn't do crap and you still don't get a commendation for doing all of the work

Healer; it's the most unappreciated job in the game atm -_-

[Aster_E]

Just seeing this topic gave me flashbacks/ptsd from one time back when Gordias normal mode was still relevant.

I was working getting my weekly drop from A2 when I got this group that was just so many types of bad. And they blamed me, on top of it. Meanwhile, the other healer did nothing.

- We wiped to trash because they ran ahead without me being ready; the load-in was unusually long, and it was a party in progress so they were just free to go.
- We wiped a first time to the main fight. I was spamming heals all around, even trying to keep up my usage of Shroud and Assize (and HQ Hi-Elixirs) so I'd be able to keep healing, and they accused me of not healing at all; meanwhile the other healer hardly ever budged with their MP and no one was handling the bombs.
- The second wipe to that fight happened almost the same way, but now with half of the bombs tended to. They told me to learn how to heal and kicked me, despite me trying to explain that they need to look at what the other "healer" is (not) doing.


On the other hand, a year and a half later, I had a separate instance in Zurvan nm when the other healer DC'd halfway into the first phase. On Sch I ended up solo healing the whole fight and nailed it. Did I improve? Sure. Was I utter crap before during Alexander? I sincerely doubt it, and like to imagine those ingrates are somehow still stuck in that A2 instance, wiping over and over again for all eternity because they can never get out until they get their shit together.

Seriously, though, second healers need to actually do stuff to contribute to the party. That's part of being in a team for such content.

[Lufir]

People need to kick the players who aren't contributing. There isn't much else anyone can do about it. As for healers who just dps, that's up to the party to decide. I would say though that SE should just do what they did with tanks in the 24-man raids: cut half of the healers out so it's just 1 per party. Since no one really heals anymore and the fights don't have that much raid wide damage going out. There hasn't really been a need for that many healers since the introduction of LotA.

[xLucia]

I main AST, and I go full DPS if there is nothing to heal. Healing is still my main job so if there's damage I will heal. But if not, DPS I go. And if the other healer seems to be able to solo-heal, I don't see any problems with this.

[Laerune]

When healing with a co-healer, I find it important to always communicate on who does what. When I play a Noct AST or a SCH and I am healing with a WHM or a fellow AST, I always ask if its oke that I do more DPS. If my co-healer has issue solo healing certain parts of the battle, I assit with healing. We are in a team and we should help each other.

I do agree that healers (players in general) who dont care about the group and just do their own thing, should be kicked.

[akaneakki]

If a person only heals and the tank dies from auto attack, that healer is bad. If all he does is healing hes very bad.