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    I apply the same mentality I follow with casters as I do with healer by following the ABCs. Always be casting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raim View Post
    I apply the same mentality I follow with casters as I do with healer by following the ABCs. Always be casting.
    You're absolutely right! Surely nothing will go wrong when i run myself out of MP spam casting Broil!

    I come from a healing background where if i wanted my MP to last the whole fight, I needed to stop casting altogether and work with my co-healers so that we could alternate taking breaks to allow for natural regen. Yay the old mp/5 rule.
    So no, I will not needlessly blow all my MP casting spells on every GCD, I will throw DPS when i have the time, spare MP and party status is acceptable.

    I'm a Healer, Not a Black Mage. You do your job, And ill do my job.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sylve View Post
    You're absolutely right! Surely nothing will go wrong when i run myself out of MP spam casting Broil!

    I come from a healing background where if i wanted my MP to last the whole fight, I needed to stop casting altogether and work with my co-healers so that we could alternate taking breaks to allow for natural regen. Yay the old mp/5 rule.
    So no, I will not needlessly blow all my MP casting spells on every GCD, I will throw DPS when i have the time, spare MP and party status is acceptable.

    I'm a Healer, Not a Black Mage. You do your job, And ill do my job.
    You're not gonna run out of MP doing damage as SCH unless people are dying left and right and needing res.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sylve View Post
    You're absolutely right! Surely nothing will go wrong when i run myself out of MP spam casting Broil!

    I come from a healing background where if i wanted my MP to last the whole fight, I needed to stop casting altogether and work with my co-healers so that we could alternate taking breaks to allow for natural regen. Yay the old mp/5 rule.
    So no, I will not needlessly blow all my MP casting spells on every GCD, I will throw DPS when i have the time, spare MP and party status is acceptable.

    I'm a Healer, Not a Black Mage. You do your job, And ill do my job.
    If you're running out of MP when not raising a bunch then something is wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sylve View Post
    You're absolutely right! Surely nothing will go wrong when i run myself out of MP spam casting Broil!

    ...
    So no, I will not needlessly blow all my MP casting spells on every GCD, I will throw DPS when i have the time, spare MP and party status is acceptable.

    I'm a Healer, Not a Black Mage. You do your job, And ill do my job.
    Up until 4.0 SCH had by far the best sustained damage of any healer. I've heard some MP horror stories since then but even if they're all true FFXIV was definitely designed with Always Be Casting in mind. I can count on one hand the number of times I've had to stand there in a fight for mana to regen as a healer since I figured out how the basics work.

    Basically you always have the MP to do damage unless you're in an awful group or some real lag haplens and people die. Saying otherwise is best case uninformed and worst case just plain lying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MoroMurasaki View Post
    Up until 4.0 SCH had by far the best sustained damage of any healer. I've heard some MP horror stories since then but even if they're all true FFXIV was definitely designed with Always Be Casting in mind. I can count on one hand the number of times I've had to stand there in a fight for mana to regen as a healer since I figured out how the basics work.

    Basically you always have the MP to do damage unless you're in an awful group or some real lag haplens and people die. Saying otherwise is best case uninformed and worst case just plain lying.
    Perhaps my experience has been skewed due to stupid Tanks in leveling HW Dungeons (MY SCH only just hit 60 this morning, used to play in 2.x but never touched it in HW), But generally speaking if i fill every GCD on a boss fight with either a Heal or Broil, I will run dry with Lucid and Aetherflow on cooldown.

    I don't mean to say that i'll literally stand there not doing anything for 5+ seconds. That was just how it was when i first began healing in MMOs and its influenced how i manage my MP here.
    If i focus primarily on keeping DoTs up and waiting 1 - 2 seconds between Broil casts, The natural regen covers the majority of Broils cost and i never have issues (Except Vault, where apparently eating AoEs increases your DPS or something cos DDs sure love to stand in the fire there)

    Generally speaking, Theres a time for going full blown DPS mode and a time to be conservative. The issue, particularly in the case of your Sig, is players not knowing or caring that theres a difference.
    Everyone is full and my MP is nearly full with CDs to back it up? TIME TO BROILBOMB!
    Party taking damage regularly, Tank dropping hard? DoTs/Bane + SFlare with the occasional Broil when the party is stable and im above my personal "safe" MP threshold.

    But I'm not there to optimize my DPS, I'm there to make sure everyone stays alive. And the 100 dps i lose by being more conservative with my MP means I'm never in a situation where I'm running dry.
    100 dps lost from the healer isn't going to affect the run.
    Of course SCHs are the best at sustained DPS while healing, since we can DoT everything and then heal, since DoTs are the primary source of the jobs damage, Though Broil is crazy nice now compared to Ruin, lol.

    To each his/her own.
    Some people like playing limbo with the party. I don't, But I'm not going to call out a healer who plays differently when I'm Tanking unless people are dying as a result.
    Part of the problem is players who run primarily with a set group of people. They get used to how their Healers and Tanks operate and then expect everyone else to be exactly the same, then get confused and angry when random DF players don't meet their expectations.
    Contributing once again to your sig, lol.
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    Jyn Willowsong
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sylve View Post
    You're absolutely right! Surely nothing will go wrong when i run myself out of MP spam casting Broil!

    I come from a healing background where if i wanted my MP to last the whole fight, I needed to stop casting altogether and work with my co-healers so that we could alternate taking breaks to allow for natural regen.
    You have mp refreshing abilities and your party usually also has ways to help you (Refresh/ Manashift). standing around doing nothing is horribly inefficient.
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