Possible AST nerf

[Psycofang]

[QUOTE=Ootarion;4307298]Can RDM Hard CC an entire group of enemies with a simple Sleep spell? BLM may not be able to heal, or revive, but why would it need to heal OR revive when it can Sleep an entire group of enemies and then blast the heck out of each enemy one at a time with enough damage to kill most if not all of the /QUOTE]

Youre so wrong it hurts, the fact you dont know sleep falls out of favor in raid content tells you you not only do not play blm but are grasping at straws that dont work.

Rdm does EQUIVALENT DAMAGE to blm

Rdm can RAISE

Rdm can HEAL

Rdm has BETTER MOBILITY

Rdm aoe is marginally behind blm.

Why bring blm when rdm is virtually its equivalent?

[Nihility]

aspected benefic costs a friggain ton to use. It's like the same as the aoe heal

I don't really see them nerfing the potency as long as the resource cost for it is so unreasonable for the effect

[TankHunter678]

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Wrong thread. This is the AST thread.

[Sakei]

aspected benefic costs a friggain ton to use. It's like the same as the aoe heal

I don't really see them nerfing the potency as long as the resource cost for it is so unreasonable for the effect

It does cost a lot 3 times as much as the regular benefic.

[Iveriad]

If SCH and WHM are falling behind, they are the problem, they are the ones needing a buff. AST is not the one that needs to be changed. I never once before used the shields of AST because they just simply sucked. I see no point in Nocturnal if the shields are just going to suck again.

I think the problem to that is :
If they make SCH and WHM better at their specific department compared to AST, then AST will be an underwhelming Jack of All Trades class like how it was back in 3.0.
If they enable AST to be at the same level as SCH and WHM, then AST will be a much better choice than WHM or AST who can only do half of AST's Job.

[Exiled_Tonberry]

. What likely happened in SE's thoughts was that since AST shields don't get the multiplier, they have to naturally be bigger than SCH's, or nobody would ever go Noct astrologian like before.

It doesn't need to be THAT much stronger though. Yes, SCH shields are stronger on the off chance that it crits. But that's not reliable. AST shields are reliable, and nearly as strong as a crit Adlo. That is the definition of broken. It's overpowered, anyone can see this.

[Psycofang]

Wrong thread. This is the AST thread.

It was posted here in this thread

[Reilyn]

I think the problem to that is :
If they make SCH and WHM better at their specific department compared to AST, then AST will be an underwhelming Jack of All Trades class like how it was back in 3.0.

I talked about this before;

Even if ASTs healing potencies were to go down to 3.0 levels while leaving the rest of their utilities they way they are now, they would still likely put WHM on the bench.

The main problem was that AST's utility and buffs were so inconsistent in 3.0 that a SCHs Fey Wind from Selene was better. Healing for less was just salt in the wound.

In 3.0:

Shuffle(later renamed redraw) used to have at least a 60 second recast, and possibly gave the user the same card a second time.
Spread used to have at least a 90 second recast.
Balance used to be 10% with a shorter duration.
Lightspeed used to cut healing potency.

Now be honest; if AST's potencies were lower across the board, down to 3.0-levels, but had the card system they have now, would you take the WHM with stronger, but typically unneeded healing, or the AST that can reliably boost the raid's outgoing damage?

My point is, it's the cards that really put AST where it is. Nerfing healing potencies won't do much to help WHM, or hurt AST's place in the hierarchy (though granted, there's no reason for AST to run around with a better version of SCHs adloquium, and succor in almost every way while they're in nocturnal sect. That is just stupid)

[alimdia]

The Balance has been nerfed http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...ac3297a0083b69

[Iveriad]

Now be honest; if AST's potencies were lower across the board, down to 3.0-levels, but had the card system they have now, would you take the WHM with stronger, but typically unneeded healing, or the AST that can reliably boost the raid's outgoing damage?

You can't really say AST could boost the raid "reliably", they drew random cards. Redraw gives them a better chance at drawing the card they needed, and Spread helps keeping the card you might not need right now, but might need later, but the cards are still random in the end.

Nerfing healing potency will only make WHM into a must have for the newest EX/Savage content since WHM will be the only one who can do "Unneeded healing", just like when Urth's Fount was introduced and people refused to go there without a WHM since SCH can't AoE heal as well as a WHM.