Possible AST nerf

[Sakei]

This, and it's clear it's a developer favorite because they're LOATHE to balance it. Each successive patch has made it better and better to the point where it's honestly so far over powered that everything is going to need to be overhauled to fix it.

The class was very broken at the start. It took some balancing to get them right. I'm not sure why they decided to break the others that were fine top begin with. They really need to ask themselves what they feel a healer should do. Look at the 3 and see which ones do each of those things right, and boost the others to equalize them. Then, and only then, can you consider lowering anything, but it has to happen to all 3 at once. Nerfs almost always go too far in the wrong direction.

[Enla]

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Oh I know precisely how it was in the beginning, however that just furthers my point. AST has only ever been in perfect balance /once/ with the other healers, after it's initial and VERY needed boost. Now however it's just too strong and nerfing all three classes and only continues to accrue that sentiment with each successive patch. Nerfing all three classes right now in equal measure would not change that. Especially for SCH which is being out performed at every turn. Hell, all they'd really need to do is lower the potency of Noct, give SCH an instant Adlo, AND lower the potency of balance in order to bring AST's into be in better alignment with the other two. Even just nerfing balance will accomplish this, which is hardly the too far you're speaking of. AST cannot be as good as the other two at their specific jobs, or better in the case of Noct stance, AND also have huge utility at the same time. Something needs to give.

[Sakei]

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Except, the cards are random... Hell, you can't count on balance being available in spread much less popping up at any given point. Once you have it, sure, tuck it away. However, you illustrate my point. You are not addressing an area that astro is overpowered. You are telling me areas the other classes have been nerfed too much in. This autocorrect is killing me. From here on out, astroturfing means ast ok? As for the potency of noct, the dam shield gets eaten fast by anything and everything. Hell, soloing in fates, it ends fast as hell. AST does not need nerfed, the others need boosted back to their former power.

[Kabzy]

AST does not need nerfed, the others need boosted back to their former power.

Okay, so lets just deal with one thing. I don't want to give your brain too much to handle. You have SCH listed on your character so I assume you have some basic knowledge on that.

Adloquium has always been 300 potency heal and shield. Astrologian's Aspected Benefic now costs less, shields much more and is instant. Explain to me how "boosted back to their former power" even makes sense here? A lot of the SCH/WHM healing kit wasn't even touched, so the clear issue here is that AST got too many unwarranted buffs that (more so in SCHs case) are completely outclassing the other jobs.

Once again, if you don't have at least a basic understanding of all three healer jobs in their current lv70 state, you have no business talking about healer balance in all honesty.

[Sakei]

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You just don't get it do you? AST had to be boosted heavily to be on par with the others. AST is by all accounts doing well in this expansion and the others are not. You never drag a class down to the others that you ADMIT are broken. You are a fool.

[Kabzy]

You just don't get it do you? AST had to be boosted heavily to be on par with the others. AST is by all accounts doing well in this expansion and the others are not. You never drag a class down to the others that you ADMIT are broken. You are a fool.

At which point did I say this?

Claiming that a job is outclassing the others doesn't mean that I'm saying they are broken. It was me highlighting that AST is currently overpowered. I think both WHM and SCH are viable, but AST is mandatory. That is the issue.

I don't want to see healing being faceroll in this game, and so I'd rather WHM/SCH not get buffed to levels that makes the content easy. This would take a lot of fun out of savage. And for the record, you didn't actually answer my question on the shields.

[Jijifli]

Adloquium has always been 300 potency heal and shield. Astrologian's Aspected Benefic now costs less, shields much more and is instant. Explain to me how "boosted back to their former power" even makes sense here?

Did you ignore SCH losing fairy potency, aetherflow getting the mp restore cut in half, as well as SCH Adlo's getting an MP cost increase?

I'm pretty sure SCH was pushed down from their former power now that Aetherflow doesn't even give enough for one Adlo.

[Sakei]

Did you ignore SCH losing fairy potency, aetherflow getting the mp restore cut in half, as well as SCH Adlo's getting an MP cost increase?

I'm pretty sure SCH was pushed down from their former power now that Aetherflow doesn't even give enough for one Adlo.

That was my biggest shock when I got back. I remember having a conversation with a mentor, and he said something about mp regen. My only thought was, since when do scholars have to worry about mp?

[Kabzy]

Did you ignore SCH losing fairy potency, aetherflow getting the mp restore cut in half, as well as SCH Adlo's getting an MP cost increase?

I'm pretty sure SCH was pushed down from their former power now that Aetherflow doesn't even give enough for one Adlo.

If you actually see the context of the entire post, I'm making a direct comparison between two moves that function the same. A single target shield.

You're bringing MP management into this, which personally I do not believe is an issue on any healer. If I get my infinite mana back, it's still not going to validate how much more powerful/brainless A.Benefic is compared to Adloquium.

[Jijifli]

If you actually see the context of the entire post, I'm making a direct comparison between two moves that function the same. A single target shield.

You're bringing MP management into this, which personally I do not believe is an issue on any healer. If I get my infinite mana back, it's still not going to validate how much more powerful/brainless A.Benefic is compared to Adloquium.

It was connected to bringing SCH back to it's old self. You compared to two spells, one that was buffed, and another that got a nerf. And yes, you're right, MP isn't an issue on any of them if we look into 8 man content. There, SCH has no issues. None of them do. They all perform well and I've seen no difference in performance.

Either way if AST gets punched I'd probably still play it. I mained it in 3.0 I know how playing a bad job feels and how to make it work (And I did make ast work then.) There is, however, a very important piece of information that's likely not gone through anyone's head.

Remember when SCH had better shields, and AST noct was considered worthless? I remember that. Is the issue that AST's shields are bigger than SCH's unless they crit? If so, won't making the shields from AST lower than SCH's no matter what just make it worthless again? We don't get a crit multiplier on the shield. If our shield's were a 250 potency, we'd be a laughing stock again, and just go back to double regen. SCH's were going for crit anyways last I checked, so they would be more often to get that huge shield boost. What likely happened in SE's thoughts was that since AST shields don't get the multiplier, they have to naturally be bigger than SCH's, or nobody would ever go Noct astrologian like before.