Possible AST nerf

[Miste]

My god that is the definition of nitpicking if I've ever seen one. The point is diurnal aspected benefic is a better spell than the one it was copied from. AST's regen copy spell is better than WHM's regen spell.

You know what I meant, and you're nitpicking to save face, and you're well aware of it.

My regen post was not directed to you since I quoted an entirely different person if you notice and my post was clear I was only talking about the "regen ticks". So how can I be the one who nitpicked you here?
You chose to reply to it and therefore you must accept that I might reply back to correct you. Your 'point' about Asp. Benefic is literally arguing that the person next in line at McDonalds got one more fry in their box than you. It's so pointless.


Save face? Nope I have no reason to need to do that, but maybe you should look up the concept of Psychological projection.

That's either a deliberate misrepresentation of my point, or you should read between the lines better.

Never said AST should do it specifically to increase the duration of HOTs. Why are you talking about a point I haven't said or made?

The reality is, ASTs often times extend the duration of HOTs when they have a high-priority target with balance or something on them already.

Basically, those HOTs are getting a duration increase as a bonus for extending a high priority card target anyway. You're the AST main, you should know what I meant. Why are you trying to misrepresent my words?

Not misinterpreting your words; like you said I main AST and I am guessing you don't? So I think you misunderstand what I am saying here. If we wanna get silly here: I never said that you said you should do it specifically to extend the HoTs. I was just pointing out to you that no AST would go out of their way to Celestial HoTs so your scenario doesn't happen often or really benefit ASTs.

If a regen of some sort happens to be on when I use Celestial or AoE damage happens and I heal with Asp. Helios then Celestial then sure it extends it (I never argued this point), but I already pointed out to you that WHM has something similar...which you, for some reason, didn't comment on. AST can increase duration of effects and WHM can reduce cooldowns to use the effects more often.

So can you explain to me why it matters that every 2 minutes an AST can potentially extend their HoTs? (even though most of the time that isn't what will happen) <----this is my point. Why does it matter?

That is why I am saying it is nitpicking. Why does it matter? You've yet to explain why every 2 minutes a possible extension of HoTs that will likely just over heal is actually making AST vastly superior to WHM. I just don't get what point you are trying to make here. The main issue is AST has higher raid DPS contribution than WHM not the healing since WHM and AST heal for around the same which SCH lagging a bit which is why they are getting buffed up tomorrow. If AST and WHM healed for too much then wouldn't they be nerfing them to bring them down to SCH and not the other way around?

1. Diurnal aspected benefic is a factually superior spell to Regen. You conceded this in your own post, but you're shifting the goalpost by addressing the 'regen' mechanic instead of the spell to make it look like I'm wrong on all accounts. Again, stop that. I can see when you do this, and you're starting to annoy me when you do, because you know what I meant, as well as I, but you dress up words like a politician, and I suspect you're doing it deliberately.

No, I clarified to you that my post was "only talking about regens" so technically your reply to me about the initial heal on Asp Benefic is wrong (just accept the fact you misunderstood my regen post and incorrectly tried to correct it; would save us a lot of time here).

Initial heal is not a regen and my post about it clearly states I was only speaking of the regen tick aspect of the spells and nothing else since the person I replied to specifically said AST had "stronger healing AND regens than WHM" If I am addressing the regen aspect specifically I cannot bring initial heals into it because an initial heal is not a regen; it wouldn't be a proper test

Even if you compare the spells fully including the initial heal the difference is <1%, but you are forgetting Medica II has a stronger regen than Asp. Helios...so aren't we back where we started and the Asp. Beneifc/Regen/Medica II/Asp. Helios are basically really close to same power in the end? So my initial post about the regens I tested being very close in power still stands.

2. Already did. Several times. Hell, did it in my very previous post before this one. Sorry if I don't write that post out for every person I respond to when I'm actually addressing something else specifically. Should I put it in my signature

Happy? Now respond to that because your nitpicking is actually annoying me and it gets us nowhere.

Psychological projection.

Sigh, again, you replied to the regen post. Don't reply if you are afraid to get challenged on what you say in your replies.

That post you link still tries to discuss healing potency as the issue, so I can't really take you seriously.

Nerf AST healing potency? Accomplishes nothing since AST still has cards and it pretty much just throws the burden on your co-healer since they can't tune the fights based on AST's weaker healing than SCH/WHM because then the fights would be too easy to heal and potentially cause solo healing issues.

Buff WHM healing potency? Accomplishes nothing since they aren't lacking in healing in the first place and potential problem of solo healing which kicks out both SCH and AST as a result.

Buff WHM utility? Yes.
Buff WHM healer DPS spells? Yes.
Nerf Balance to 10% (5% AoE). Yes, this could help, but it doesn't change much really. I think the better course would be to bring WHM utility up not bring AST utility down.