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    Quote Originally Posted by Reilyn View Post
    when SCHs do lack in every category I listed.
    If you are going to compare two jobs you need to compare their whole toolkit. You left out A LOT of stuff in your comparison post so it just doesn't hold much weight like that. (for example you completely ignored that SCH has a fairy with healing buffs and extra heals that AST doesn't) So there is just extra things you have to math into that you left out to compare properly.

    I was thinking maybe they could reduce Noct's shields down to SCH potency and give them the crit aspect and also reduce adlo's MP cost to the same as asp. benefic to make them more equal? Just an idea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Miste View Post
    If you are going to compare two jobs you need to compare their whole toolkit. You left out A LOT of stuff in your comparison post so it just doesn't hold much weight like that. (for example you completely ignored that SCH has a fairy with healing buffs and extra heals that AST doesn't) So there is just extra things you have to math into that you left out to compare properly.
    Didnt count the fairy embrace heals (who was nerfed again) for a specific reason:

    SCH doesn't have Benefic2/Cure2. I didn't think I'd have to explain this to people at this point. Embrace is there to sort of make up for the fact SCHs don't have those at all, when the other two healers have cure2/benefic2 with access to possibly full-uptime regens ON TOP OF IT.

    Now do you see why I didn't bother mentioning the fairy embrace?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reilyn View Post
    Didnt count the fairy embrace heals (who was nerfed again) for a specific reason:

    SCH doesn't have Benefic2/Cure2. I didn't think I'd have to explain this to people at this point. Embrace is there to sort of make up for the fact SCHs don't have those at all, when the other two healers have cure2/benefic2 with access to possibly full-uptime regens ON TOP OF IT.

    Now do you see why I didn't bother mentioning the fairy embrace?
    SCH has Emergency Tactics + Adlo every 30 seconds (soon to be 20 seconds)
    SCH has Lustrate which is instant and can be used three times every minute
    SCH also has fairy heals with healing buffs like illumination and and whispering dawn which is a powerful HoT.
    Excog every minute
    Fey Union

    Missing Cure II/Benefic II doesn't seem like it would hurt them imo.

    Not to say SCH doesn't need some buffs...I feel like SCH spells cost too much MP compared to the other two healers.

    My boyfriend and I were talking about SCH since he mains it and we were thinking like Emergency Tactics should lower the MP cost of the next spell also when used.

    For example AST Helios costs 1440 MP for a direct AoE heal of 300 potency.
    SCH Emergency Tactics + Succor 300 potency direct AoE heal, but it costs 2280 MP.

    So since Emergency removes the shield aspect there is definitely no reason for the MP cost to be that high.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Miste View Post
    SCH has Emergency Tactics + Adlo every 30 seconds (soon to be 20 seconds)
    SCH has Lustrate which is instant and can be used three times every minute
    SCH also has fairy heals with healing buffs like illumination and and whispering dawn which is a powerful HoT.
    Excog every minute
    Fey Union

    Missing Cure II/Benefic II doesn't seem like it would hurt them imo.
    -E-tactics isn't a good substitute for cure2. It's one of two methods for SCH to have an AOE heal with the potency of WHM, and AST's at all, and has a cooldown.
    -Already mentioned lustrate as one of the very few meaningful advantages SCH has over AST. You're repeating what I'm saying.
    -A powerful AOE hot for 21 seconds once every minute tied to a specific fairy, which means giving up selene's 3% atk speed buff for the party to make SCH AOE healing slightly better (but still not as good as the others, and very likely to overheal for much of its duration)
    -Excog is lustrate with 50 more potency, and costs an aetherflow stack just like lustrate at the moment. Until it gets a meaningful buff, you quite literally won't miss it if it were gone tomorrow
    -Fey union currently has a range problem, potency problem, and delay problem

    Summary:
    SCH has less strengths over AST than what you listed. SCH's selling point in it's identity IN ACTUAL PRACTICE is mostly in its OGCD healing for 600-650 potency.
    Shielding, non-cooldown dependent AOE healing, AOE dps, buffering raid damage... AST does all of that better than SCH, and we all know it at this point.
    Again, this is why I don't bother making a huge list of all the unique little tools SCH has, because it still boils down to not excelling in much of anything over AST outside of OGCD healing IN PRACTICE.

    You still end with a healer deficient in almost every meaningful category for their role compared to AST outside of OGCD healing.

    SCH isn't unplayable, but there isn't enough reason to bother playing it when you could go nocturnal AST. This is the same problem AST was faced with in gordias savage, and I've been making much the same complaints back then: AST had unique tools back then too, but it didn't amount to enough for people to really want them over WHM or SCH because WHM/SCH did it better.
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    Last edited by Reilyn; 07-17-2017 at 08:12 AM.