Possible AST nerf

[simiii]

Maybe with the histrionics and hyperbole. No one is keeping up AoE balance 60-70% of a fight. Not even close. If it happens, it\\\\'s so rare you won\\\\'t see it the next 10 times you do the same fight.

Adlo is far from worthless and saying an AST can mitigate anywhere close to 90% of incoming damage is just going to make people laugh. Your points can\\\\'t be taken seriously.

You on famfrit? Or w.e data center it\\\\'s on? I\\\\'ll GLADLY make my point oh and I can get like 5-6 aoe balances most time in a fight each balance is 30 seconds (or 40)
That\\\\'s maybe 2-3 min of balance how long are most fight? 5min? Maybe lil longer? Granted ya balance dose have some rng on it but I can average out 5-6 aoe balances a run some runs I get less some runs I get more

Combin divine seal with aoe shield or aoe shield with collective easy blocks all dmg from most aoe or stack mechanics

Btw I do play ast more often then my whm now

[Ootarion]

You on famfrit? Or w.e data center it\\\\'s on? I\\\\'ll GLADLY make my point oh and I can get like 5-6 aoe balances most time in a fight each balance is 30 seconds (or 40)
That\\\\'s maybe 2-3 min of balance how long are most fight? 5min? Maybe lil longer? Granted ya balance dose have some rng on it but I can average out 5-6 aoe balances a run some runs I get less some runs I get more

Combin divine seal with aoe shield or aoe shield with collective easy blocks all dmg from most aoe or stack mechanics

Btw I do play ast more often then my whm now

Have you ever stopped to consider that you are just getting ridiculously lucky? Ive gone entire fights and was never able to draw the cards needed to achieve AoE Balance and I am constantly drawing during fights. Ive even gone entire dungeons where I wasnt able to get AoE Balance until the final boss or NOT ONCE ever!

Addendum: I just tried and after using getting a Royal Road Ewer, it took FOUR MINUTES for me to draw a Balance, and I made sure to use Draw IMMEDIATELY after it came off cooldown and even used Redraw each time and even used Undraw to cancel out my drawn card, and it STILL took FOUR MINUTES for me to get Balance to AoE it. I do not know WHERE You are getting the notion that you can keep getting AoE Balance so much, but your argument is quickly losing its backing if only because of the simple fact that you are getting ridiculously lucky.

@Fluffernuff, yes, Balance is a powerful card, but it is one of 6 cards that is drawn at random as you so pointed out. Regardless of how good the card is you cannot say that AST is op, people have gone entire fights even dungeons, without ever drawing Balance once, are you denying this?

ok lets say I am getting lucky pretty much all of my fights. Then how do you balance it?
For some people it's ridiculous op cuz they draw it all time for others it's fine?

Want balance all 3 healers?
Take balance out of ast deck and make it a skill that raises 20% magic dmg to party
Give sch a 20% physical dmg
And give whm 10% on physical and magical but both share a cd (brave and faith)
Sch will have to lose chainsratigim. And ast can keep fairy speedbuff ast can keep arrow and and whm can have higher personal dps.

For the simple fact that the RNG is so unreliable, AST doesnt need this kind of change. I want to ask you something and PLEASE do not misunderstand as I genuinely wish to know where you are coming from. Why is it so important to you that AST gets nerfed somehow? Why does it seem like it is so hard for you to believe that AST is fine where it is? Are you upset because a healer you used no longer SEEMS like it compares? I am honestly not trying to be snarky or condescending or rude in some fashion, I just wish to understand, because how hard you are trying to take something away from a class, just doesnt make sense to me.

@Simii, I love how you just ignore the RNG of AST, you're in another universe if you actually think anyone will believe you can keep an aoe balance up "60-70% of the fight" it is possible to get the back to back, and then never even get a balance for 20 minutes. if RNG has it's way.

Not to mention not everything will require an aoe balance, when things like mechanics take over where half or all of the DPS are busy. i really hope you aren't one of those AST that simply only take a balance card and nothing else, then i can understand why you think that way. because you lack knowledge of the job.

I'm not even going to get into that 90% BS because i want you to show me evidence of you negating 90% of anything on AST, that would mean everyone would take hardly any damage. This means from hard hitting fights, not one that do barly any damage to begin with.

And last, to spam shields to even attempt that means you'll run out of MP pretty fast, Aspected benefic or helios is NOT cheap to keep up. The only way to get away with spamming it is if you have lucid dreaming and an enchanced/extended ewer up, again, another RNG based combo.

Thank you again Blood-Aki, Aspected Benefic and Aspected Helios do indeed cost alot of MP, I do not make constant use of them simply because I know I cant, if I used them to much Id run out of MP and like you said I can only temper this issue with a Lucid Dreaming+Enhanced Ewer/Extended Ewer combo.

Where was this mentality when SCH was nerfed? Nah, ASTs going to get it real good.

Im speaking soley in regards to how terrible Nocturnal Sect shielding used to be, not about any nerf SCH got. But again you are only reaffirming my point that if SCH is falling behind compared to WHM and AST, then SCH needs a buff, AST doesnt need a nerf.

Because noct AST is a easy job. It is more for CASUAL players. Now if you actually paid attention to AST's abilities most of them are mainly for DIURNAL benefit.
Collective unconscious aka powerful regen + aspected benefic + aspected Helios + Time Dillation is a really good ability, you use it on tanks to get back dpsing faster while not carrying about tanks HP.
Celestial opposition extend cards+regen reaming time. Why in the hell you use it for shields?
And yes if you read the potency of the shield they ARE stronger than SCH's.
Aspected Helios was already better than succor in 3.4. And now aspected benefic got the ridiculous buff which is better than a no-crit adlo lower MP cost and INSTANT which should be NOT because the strong shields are SCH's identity not AST's.

I do not use Celestial Opposition to extend the duration of the Shields, never once said that. Also what exactly is the problem with AST having a stronger non crit shield while SCH gets a stronger crit shield? At least the two are still different, SCH has it's own identity regardless of what AST has because SCH still has a healing pet, and with combinations Ive seen can equal some pretty strong healing with the fairy's help. Also Aldo Shield gets doubled on a crit, and the healing potency of the spell is 300 vs Aspected Benefic's 200, you and I both know that once Adlo crits, its the superior shield, it is obvious that you should build crit on SCH....

even if they nerfed AST... SCH would still have terrible shields, terrible MP management, and the fairy would still be useless. WHM would still have tremendous overhealing that isn't needed, and no utility. Nerfing AST isn't the best answer, it is just dragging them down into the muck with the rest...

Indeed! Thank you so much, but good luck getting alot of the people in this thread to realize that. Some get it though, while the majority dont seem to understand....:/

SCH's advantage is now limited to:
-number of OGCD heals
-crit adloquium (which costs too much MP)

How about people be honest, read tooltips, do some math, and realize that thanks in part ASTs being buffed for literally years as well as several nerfs, SCH lost a major chunk of its identity. It's not hyperbole to say you may as well play nocturnal sect AST at this point. SE went too far with AST buffs, and SCH pruning, and they know it from the last live letter.

Then the problem isnt AST it is SCH being underpowered. Rather then nerf AST, buff SCH, it is clearly obvious that SCH needs it, you are just mistaking AST being in the place it needs to be as being op rather then understanding it is where it needs to be.

[Misutoraru]

You on famfrit? Or w.e data center it\\\\'s on? I\\\\'ll GLADLY make my point oh and I can get like 5-6 aoe balances most time in a fight each balance is 30 seconds (or 40)
That\\\\'s maybe 2-3 min of balance how long are most fight? 5min? Maybe lil longer? Granted ya balance dose have some rng on it but I can average out 5-6 aoe balances a run some runs I get less some runs I get more

Combin divine seal with aoe shield or aoe shield with collective easy blocks all dmg from most aoe or stack mechanics

Btw I do play ast more often then my whm now

i have an entire 70 dungeon and 1 run in Doma castle without any Balance showing up, then I have a run in the Aery with almost every single draw get me balance

just saying when RNG kick in there are no reference point for how high the chance it came up