Possible AST nerf

[Ootarion]

It doesn't need to suck again but it shouldn't put SCH's out of a job, nor should the healing creep get worse just because one class was overbuffed well beyond what it should be. AST should be comparable to the other classes but not LEAGUES better at their specific gimmicks, having the cards instead should make up the bulk of whatever difference exists. Nothing either SCH or WHM can dish out even compares to the utility of the cards, and having AST well outpace everything else on top of that is silly.

I used to main a WHM, and have gotten mine high in lvl, not as high as my AST but still high. I know for a fact that WHM can still outshine AST in several ways. WHM has better damage, due in part to having two DoTs and Stone is by far stronger then Malefic, WHM can make its MP costs ZERO for 12 seconds AND has several VERY powerful off global cooldown heals, AST cant compare to those off globals. WHM even has better MP management. There is no where in this that WHM is being outclassed in EVERY regard compared to AST, not one bit.

AST needed this buff to Nocturnal Shielding, i know that for a fact, I simply refused to use Nocturnal before SBs launch, there was NO POINT in it. Right now, Nocturnal actually has a use cause the shields are actually meaningful! D:

[Ootarion]

Im even hearing that RDM is being nerfed, as well as SAM in very unreasonable ways for unreasonable excuses. Having already played RDM, I see no reason for a nerf, Ive even played BLM and know for a fact that BLMs can hit just as hard if not harder.

[Vidu]

Im even hearing that RDM is being nerfed, as well as SAM in very unreasonable ways for unreasonable excuses. Having already played RDM, I see no reason for a nerf, Ive even played BLM and know for a fact that BLMs can hit just as hard if not harder.

You seem to know a lot of facts... the point isnt only "how hard can a class hit?" but also "what else does the class bring to the table?" - BLM has basically only the damage, while a RDM can heal and raise aswell, so it should hit less hard to reflect that (or no one would take a BLm since a RDM can just hit as hard and brings extra stuff)

Same with the healing classes: Balancing means both give and take - you cant just buff everything high in the heavens or you'll get caught up in a spiral where our hits hit for a million and we heal for 500k with both only reflecting 5% of the total HP there are. "Just make everyone stronger!" doesnt work.

[Ootarion]

Same with the healing classes: Balancing means both give and take - you cant just buff everything high in the heavens or you'll get caught up in a spiral where our hits hit for a million and we heal for 500k with both only reflecting 5% of the total HP there are. "Just make everyone stronger!" doesnt work.

WHM: Has stronger damage output, better MP management, and really strong off global heals.

AST: Has cards, and only equivelant healing to Cure and Cure II so long as it is using Nocturnal.

Remind me, how is AST superior to WHM? Diurnal is hardly making it as good at Healing over time as WHM and AST only has stronger shields so long as SCH doesnt get an Adlo crit. Should SCH really have better Non Crit and Crit shielding then AST? What reason would that give people to ever use Nocturnal if it's just going to suck in comparison?

Btw, all this debate, all this issue, wouldnt be a problem, if SE would actually release patch note info BEFORE implementing the changes like we've all seen other game companies do. Since we wouldnt be sitting here debating what might be if we had access to the info we all wanna see.

[Ootarion]

You seem to know a lot of facts... the point isnt only "how hard can a class hit?" but also "what else does the class bring to the table?" - BLM has basically only the damage, while a RDM can heal and raise aswell, so it should hit less hard to reflect that (or no one would take a BLm since a RDM can just hit as hard and brings extra stuff)

Can RDM Hard CC an entire group of enemies with a simple Sleep spell? BLM may not be able to heal, or revive, but why would it need to heal OR revive when it can Sleep an entire group of enemies and then blast the heck out of each enemy one at a time with enough damage to kill most if not all of the Slept enemies before they can wake up!? Best that RDM can do is use Tether to lock several enemies in place but if they are ranged enemies they can still attack. a Hard CC like a BLMs Sleep will forever be far and above better then Tether. By the way, for the longest time before Stormbloods launch, I used to see Monks as the single highest damage dealing class in the game that could easily outshine others, is this really fair to BLM, SMN, DRG, NIN, BRD and MCH? No. Utility or no, what is the point of being a damage dealer if your damage is so much lower then another damage dealer's? I would have probably played Monk if I wasnt so much more interested in playing a Caster or a Healer, not cause of their strengths, but because I like Magic more then I do punching things.

[simiii]

"Whm has better damage" not enough damage to out dps a aoe balance

Yes your right whm has so much mana that it's pointless you only need that much mana if you plan of rezing like 10 people and that means we are going enrage anyway

What are these "several powerfull cds?"

Tetra? You have essential dignity and that's in every way better then tetra

Benediction? You have a aoe benediction on a 60 sec cd if charged if not charged it's a aoe tetra

Asylum? It's a okay skill but most time I just throw it down whenever it's on cd it's not a game changer if anything it's ment to save mp

Bension? Is a joke (it has potential)

Only powerful cd I can think of is presence of mind and ya that rly is a strong cd but lightspeed is pretty damn close to being just as good

[Ootarion]

"Whm has better damage" not enough damage to out dps a aoe balance

Yes your right whm has so much mana that it's pointless you only need that much mana if you plan of rezing like 10 people and that means we are going enrage anyway

What are these "several powerfull cds?"

Tetra? You have essential dignity and that's in every way better then tetra

Benediction? You have a aoe benediction on a 60 sec cd if charged if not charged it's a aoe tetra

Asylum? It's a okay skill but most time I just throw it down whenever it's on cd it's not a game changer if anything it's ment to save mp

Bension? Is a joke (it has potential)

Only powerful cd I can think of is presence of mind and ya that rly is a strong cd but lightspeed is pretty damn close to being just as good

1) WHM vs AST damage: I have done the tests myself, my lvl 60 WHM can choke out more damage with DoTS ALONE then my lvl 69 AST can, Balance or no Balance. Furthermore WHM and AST are both healers, their damage will never be anything compared to DPS damage and even with the AoE Balance, WHM will still hit harder then AST.

2) Tetra vs Essential Dignity: Tetra's healing is far more consistent then Essential Dignity which starts at 400 potency and gets stronger the lower the target's health while Tetra has a baseline constant 700 potency.

3) Earthly Star is not a Benediction....far from it, Benediction's healing is an absolute FULL HEAL, Earthly Star doesnt come close. An Earthly Star at maximum power CANNOT fully heal a critically injured Tank. Also are you forgetting Plenary Indulgence?

4) Asylum's advantage comes in the fact that you can place it anywhere, with Collective Unconcious it is centered on the AST and you cant move at all.

5) As for Bension, I can see where people would think of this skill as a joke, but is that really an excuse to nerf AST?

[Skye_]

Ast is not supposed to be able to beat WHM in DPS. It is a PARTY DPS BUFFER. That that 20% from the ENTIRE party and factor that into the Ast personal DPS number and then you have their true DPS effect. Saying WHM is better at DPS is absurd when it's marginally higher than Ast. You should be posting ignorant comments when you don't understand the problem as a whole.