Possible AST nerf

[simiii]

Can you teach me how you keep AoE balance on for 60-70% of the fight on AST? I mean...you obviously have some sort of secret power *coughhacks* to be able to do this because I definitely can't.

Start off with a balance in hand get in raid draw and if you get another balance use the1 you just drew. If you ever want to sleeve draw make sure you have a balance or aoe buff already stored. If you sleeve draw and you didn't get a aoe buff but the card is a ewer/spire burn it NEVER sleeve draw w.o at least a balance or aoe buff.

If you didn't get a aoe balance then just use one you have stored and try again you have a extra 10 seconds to draw and see if you get a ewer/spire or balance if you didn't get any those 3 cards then your just outa luck

[Blood-Aki]

Start off with a balance in hand get in raid draw and if you get another balance use the1 you just drew. If you ever want to sleeve draw make sure you have a balance or aoe buff already stored. If you sleeve draw and you didn't get a aoe buff but the card is a ewer/spire burn it NEVER sleeve draw w.o at least a balance or aoe buff.

If you didn't get a aoe balance then just use one you have stored and try again you have a extra 10 seconds to draw and see if you get a ewer/spire or balance if you didn't get any those 3 cards then your just outa luck

Yea, ignoring RNG, because if you never get another balance after that first one, for the rest of the fight, that % you made up, is gone, i'm pretty sure miste already knew that, she was asking you how made up those numbers that just aren't possible.

But that flew right over your head.

[Miste]

If you didn't get a aoe balance then just use one you have stored and try again you have a extra 10 seconds to draw and see if you get a ewer/spire or balance if you didn't get any those 3 cards then your just outa luck

I don't think you read my whole post....and you also missed the sarcasm.

Keeping Balance on 60-70% of the fight is pretty much not possible for any fight above 8 minutes. So you actually cannot teach me how.

I mean you have a chance to win the lottery even though it is really really low chance, but claiming AST can keep balance on 60-70% of a 10 minute fight is about the same as saying "oh I lost my job and I'm gonna be homeless soon, no problem, I'll just win the lottery, I don't need to try to get a job."

Maybe for dungeon bosses....but those are dungeon bosses it is the most casual of casual content and matters little when it comes to job balance.

[Reilyn]

The sheer number of ASTs I've seen in the past weeks pretending this is okay is really starting to annoy me.
I'm going to keep it simple.
Nocturnal AST aspected benefic:
-230/575 heal/shield. SCH's is 300/300
-instant cast. SCH's has a cast time
-costs less MP. SCH's adloquium had an MP cost increase, on top of aetherflow MP return being cut from 20% to 10%. Casting adloquium twice = MP cost of raise
-nocturnal aspected helios > succor. 172.5/258.75 vs 150/150
-AST now has eye 4 eye
-AST now has better AOE damage than SCH with how badly they nerfed bane, removing one of their dots that would have been spread by bane, the removal of blizzard 2, and miasma 2 (which I guess they're going to give back, but it was only 20 potency aoe, with a 10 potency DOT, so it won't do nearly enough to replace everything they axed)
-AST AOE healing isn't tied to 30 second cooldowns

SCH's advantage is now limited to:
-number of OGCD heals
-crit adloquium (which costs too much MP)

How about people be honest, read tooltips, do some math, and realize that thanks in part ASTs being buffed for literally years as well as several nerfs, SCH lost a major chunk of its identity. It's not hyperbole to say you may as well play nocturnal sect AST at this point. SE went too far with AST buffs, and SCH pruning, and they know it from the last live letter.

[Tyla_Esmeraude]

What's even the point of this thread? Did they say they were gonna make further adjustments to it? No? Then what's the point of his thread again? Unless I missed something from the live letter I don't see why this thread even exists. o.O
Also OP, where did you hear RDM or SAM being nerfed? That's just gossip lol. Yoshi already said that they don't have plans to adjust them at the moment. Where are you getting these false rumors from?

[SnugglesD]

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You're missing a lot of context for the changes you addressed.

1. MP costs were changed and aetherflow was nerfed because scholar has access to lucid dreaming now. Leaving out that fact is incredibly disingenuous.

2. AST shield is stronger for 1 reason: to balance it with deployment tactics.

No one is denying that Sch needs some love, but it's no where near as bad off as the people that can't apply proper context would have you believe.

[Reilyn]

You're missing a lot of context for the changes you addressed.

1. MP costs were changed and aetherflow was nerfed because scholar has access to lucid dreaming now. Leaving out that fact is incredibly disingenuous.

2. AST shield is stronger for 1 reason: to balance it with deployment tactics.

No one is denying that Sch needs some love, but it's no where near as bad off as the people that can't apply proper context would have you believe.

It's bad enough when I can't justify a reason to bring a SCH over an AST for anything right now if given the choice between the two when SCHs do lack in every category I listed. I've played SCH since 2.0, cleared gordias savage, and seen how ASTs sucked first hand back then, and even advocated for buffs for them because they were in the situation SCHs are in now.

Using a 2min cooldown as an excuse to make one spell consistently more powerful is stupid, and again, SE knows it, which is part of the reason they're probably reducing the cooldown of deployment tactics after the fact, so your second point was actually rather stupid if you're talking from the context of 2-min-cooldown deployment tactics.

You haven't said a word about anything I said actually being inaccurate.

[Miste]

when SCHs do lack in every category I listed.

If you are going to compare two jobs you need to compare their whole toolkit. You left out A LOT of stuff in your comparison post so it just doesn't hold much weight like that. (for example you completely ignored that SCH has a fairy with healing buffs and extra heals that AST doesn't) So there is just extra things you have to math into that you left out to compare properly.

I was thinking maybe they could reduce Noct's shields down to SCH potency and give them the crit aspect and also reduce adlo's MP cost to the same as asp. benefic to make them more equal? Just an idea.

[Reilyn]

If you are going to compare two jobs you need to compare their whole toolkit. You left out A LOT of stuff in your comparison post so it just doesn't hold much weight like that. (for example you completely ignored that SCH has a fairy with healing buffs and extra heals that AST doesn't) So there is just extra things you have to math into that you left out to compare properly.

Didnt count the fairy embrace heals (who was nerfed again) for a specific reason:

SCH doesn't have Benefic2/Cure2. I didn't think I'd have to explain this to people at this point. Embrace is there to sort of make up for the fact SCHs don't have those at all, when the other two healers have cure2/benefic2 with access to possibly full-uptime regens ON TOP OF IT.

Now do you see why I didn't bother mentioning the fairy embrace?

[Miste]

Didnt count the fairy embrace heals (who was nerfed again) for a specific reason:

SCH doesn't have Benefic2/Cure2. I didn't think I'd have to explain this to people at this point. Embrace is there to sort of make up for the fact SCHs don't have those at all, when the other two healers have cure2/benefic2 with access to possibly full-uptime regens ON TOP OF IT.

Now do you see why I didn't bother mentioning the fairy embrace?

SCH has Emergency Tactics + Adlo every 30 seconds (soon to be 20 seconds)
SCH has Lustrate which is instant and can be used three times every minute
SCH also has fairy heals with healing buffs like illumination and and whispering dawn which is a powerful HoT.
Excog every minute
Fey Union

Missing Cure II/Benefic II doesn't seem like it would hurt them imo.

Not to say SCH doesn't need some buffs...I feel like SCH spells cost too much MP compared to the other two healers.

My boyfriend and I were talking about SCH since he mains it and we were thinking like Emergency Tactics should lower the MP cost of the next spell also when used.

For example AST Helios costs 1440 MP for a direct AoE heal of 300 potency.
SCH Emergency Tactics + Succor 300 potency direct AoE heal, but it costs 2280 MP.

So since Emergency removes the shield aspect there is definitely no reason for the MP cost to be that high.