Possible AST nerf

[amihavingfunyet]

Just gonna leave some real numbers here.
AST gear: 2211 MND, 1163 Crit, 1235 Det, 404 DH, 998 SpS

WHM gear: 2211 MND, 1405 Crit, 1404 Det, 404 DH, 829 SpS

Did the Susano X SSS with both of them:
AST DPS: 2103.68 (no cards used at all)

WHM DPS: 2527.13

So that's a DPS difference of roughly 424DPS. Assuming your party does 20k DPS the AST would need to provide a 2.12% DPS increase with their cards to make up for lost damage.

Now if you assume you can't just mindlessly spam Stone 4/Malefic 3 during a real fight, if you only compare their DoTs and Assize/Earthly Star you end up with: AST getting roughly 16% of their potential DPS and WHM getting 32% of their potential DPS.
AST: 336.6 DPS
WHM: 808.7 PDS

So you stil just need the about same DPS increase from cards. (~2.36%)

Edit: accidently uploaded the WHM gear set with Susano Cane, but I actually did it with the AF3 cane, fixed it.

[Fluffernuff]

Just gonna leave some real numbers here.

I was really hoping someone would, as I'm not a healer, geared or otherwise. Thank you!

[Caduagm]

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Because noct AST is a easy job. It is more for CASUAL players. Now if you actually paid attention to AST's abilities most of them are mainly for DIURNAL benefit.
Collective unconscious aka powerful regen + aspected benefic + aspected Helios + Time Dillation is a really good ability, you use it on tanks to get back dpsing faster while not carrying about tanks HP.
Celestial opposition extend cards+regen reaming time. Why in the hell would you use it for shields?
And yes if you read the potency of the shield they ARE stronger than SCH's.
Aspected Helios was already better than succor in 3.4. And now aspected benefic got the ridiculous buff which is better than a no-crit adlo lower MP cost and INSTANT which should be NOT because the strong shields are SCH's identity not AST's.

[simiii]

And last, to spam shields to even attempt that means you'll run out of MP pretty fast, Aspected benefic or helios is NOT cheap to keep up. The only way to get away with spamming it is if you have lucid dreaming and an enchanced/extended ewer up, again, another RNG based combo.

Go lakshimi pop aoe shield+ divine seal or collective + aoe shield for any stack or aoe mechanic. Also isn't it cheaper to prevent the damage then it is to heal it? Unless your going use earthly star then don't bother using any shields earthy will heal them up to full hp if charged or most their hp if insta cast.

And ya I only use balance somtimes I'll aoe arrow cuz it's a pretry nice dps increase.

Somtimes I do stop trying hunt for balances and use all the cards as they are if things are getting pretty bad but if everything is going smoothly why would I need any other cards?

[Blood-Aki]

Go lakshimi pop aoe shield+ divine seal or collective + aoe shield for any stack or aoe mechanic.

Yea, i had to stop reading there, you used the easiest primal in existence of this entire games history who's damage is pretty laughable to heal to begin with as an example.

Can't take you seriously anymore.

Yes I play ast since 3.0 was launched.
Also, I have first Susano of Cerberus server AD AST. Also, I have 90th percentile as ast SOLO HEALING Lakshmi. And also I'M ALWAYS 90th percentiles on raid AS MAIN HEALER. So don't come saying I don't know the class. I'm pretty sure I know more than you.

and then YOU ALSO do the same thing. Lmao! because solo healing her is incredibly hard, for ANY healer. You clearly do NOT know more if you thought noct was anywhere close to "poop" you already failed, Come back to me after savage is released. Not to mention if you're solo healing, you'll be using dirunal anyway outside of r dungeon trash, but this is the different situation that i was talking about.

Lakshmi is serious, true endgame it seems.

Also Nobody cares about server first of the second easiest primal. But as i stated above, when some actual hard content is released, we'll see where you stand.

[Caduagm]

and then YOU ALSO do the same thing. Lmao! because solo healing her is incredibly hard, for ANY healer. You clearly do NOT know more if you thought noct was anywhere close to "poop" you already failed, Come back to me after savage is released. Not to mention if you're solo healing, you'll be using dirunal anyway outside of r dungeon trash, but this is the different situation that i was talking about.

Lakshmi is serious, true endgame it seems.

Also Nobody cares about server first of the second easiest primal. But as i stated above, when some actual hard content is released, we'll see where you stand.

I said raid, my dear. Aka midas and creator which both you didn't clear apparently. Now isn't problem of mine if you can't read Lmao

[Caduagm]

You should try actually using noct stance then, or PLAYING AST because noct not only saves very well in dungeons trash mobs or as a great shield. but any good AST knows when to switch between the 2. during certain situations and fights.

Not just "diurnal onry" usually the type of mentaility shared by those ASTs who only use one card and forget the others exist.

Yes I play ast since 3.0 was launched.
Also, I have first Susano of Cerberus server AD AST. Also, I have 90th percentile as ast SOLO HEALING Lakshmi. And also I'M ALWAYS 90th percentiles on raid AS MAIN HEALER. So don't come saying I don't know the class. I'm pretty sure I know more than you.

[Eclipsed]

even if they nerfed AST... SCH would still have terrible shields, terrible MP management, and the fairy would still be useless. WHM would still have tremendous overhealing that isn't needed, and no utility. Nerfing AST isn't the best answer, it is just dragging them down into the muck with the rest...

[Rubiss]

even if they nerfed AST... SCH would still have terrible shields, terrible MP management, and the fairy would still be useless. WHM would still have tremendous overhealing that isn't needed, and no utility. Nerfing AST isn't the best answer, it is just dragging them down into the muck with the rest...

They did it to SCH from 3.X to 4.X so... no I think SE is going to have to drag AST down.