Possible AST nerf

[simiii]

. Are you really going to sit there and ignore the fact that Nocturnal was worthless before and is apparently from what im hearing, even worthless now?

Kinda like how sch shields are now?
If we decide not to nerf ast and just make sch shields stronger then what's the point of a whm? On a ast I can already negate 90% of the damage and if you make sch shield more then that lol...... no one is going be losing health

I main whm since ARR
But right now I'm playing ast cuz dafaq? I can keep a aoe balance a good 60-70% of the fight that alone is broken enough and with the new patch coming it its going make it easyer to aoe balance.

Oh and btw NO ONE is calling nocturnal worthless. Nocturnal beats Diurnal in a land slide. You say you want balance for all healers but in reality you don't care you just don't want your main nerfed.

[Ootarion]

This is not a thing and i wish people would stop using it as the end all beat all of why SCH should get a nerf or excuses like that. The Fairy is part of our kit thats it. You know what isnt part of our kit, Cure 2/Benefic 2 or Medica/Helios, spammable big heals that heal for a lot more and cost a lot less than our two "similar" spells that heal for a lot less and cost way more... the fairy is just our utility to offset the lack of those kinds of skills. No one is denying that the fairy needs to be factored into the healing formula, but she isn't some devine cheat code. I should notice if she is helping me, right now you don't notice her as much as we should. Hopefully 4.05 will change that.

No one is denying that when it comes to healing that SCH isnt up there with WHM and AST in terms of brute force healing, however, when ive compared the numbers, a SCH using Physick or even Adlo, combined with their Fairy's primary heal, can actually achieve a 650 potency, or when you combine Lustrate with the Fairy's heal, that is a combined total of 900 potency worth of healing. That is nothing to sniff at....

[chesnaught]

This is not a thing and i wish people would stop using it as the end all beat all of why SCH should get a nerf or excuses like that. The Fairy is part of our kit thats it. You know what isnt part of our kit, Cure 2/Benefic 2 or Medica/Helios, spammable big heals that heal for a lot more and cost a lot less than our two "similar" spells that heal for a lot less and cost way more... the fairy is just our utility to offset the lack of those kinds of skills. No one is denying that the fairy needs to be factored into the healing formula, but she isn't some devine cheat code. I should notice if she is helping me, right now you don't notice her as much as we should. Hopefully 4.05 will change that.

I'm really lost if you thought my post said SCH needs to be nerfed.

[Breezelyn]

Make AST Nocturnal shields equal of that of SCH's. Then everything is good.

[Ootarion]

Kinda like how sch shields are now?
If we decide not to nerf ast and just make sch shields stronger then what's the point of a whm? On a ast I can already negate 90% of the damage and if you make sch shield more then that lol...... no one is going be losing health

I main whm since ARR
But right now I'm playing ast cuz dafaq? I can keep a aoe balance a good 60-70% of the fight that alone is broken enough and with the new patch coming it its going make it easyer to aoe balance.

Oh and btw NO ONE is calling nocturnal worthless. Nocturnal beats Diurnal in a land slide. You say you want balance for all healers but in reality you don't care you just don't want your main nerfed.

I have heard people call Nocturnal worthless compared to Diurnal, hearing things like "Shouldnt be using Noct" or "Diurnal is better". Btw, regardless of what you think, I do care about balance, I want things to be fair. If you knew me as a person, you would know that. I have no assurances that whatever nerf is applied wont be to big of a nerf and we all know that when nerfs come, they have ended up being to big more then once. I will also admit that there are times when buffs were to big, but just because I dont see AST shielding as OP, doesnt mean I am wanting to ignore fairness, I just genuinely do not see how or why AST shielding is op compared to SCH, and again, before Nocturnal shielding got it's buff, I never once used the shields, not for more then 1 minute in a dungeon simply because they just weren't useful. I am adamantly defending AST as it is now, because I know from experience that its shields needed a buff. Am I wrong in that the shields needed to be buffed from what they were before?. If you want to accuse me as not caring, then go ahead....

[simiii]

Make AST Nocturnal shields equal of that of SCH's. Then everything is good.

can't do that cuz ast has buffs while the other classes don't.

[Fluffernuff]

You're claiming you have done tests and "have the numbers"? That's actually AMAZING!



....supply them. both here AND the healer forums.

[SnugglesD]

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I... Don't even know where to begin here...

Maybe with the histrionics and hyperbole. No one is keeping up AoE balance 60-70% of a fight. Not even close. If it happens, it's so rare you won't see it the next 10 times you do the same fight.

Adlo is far from worthless and saying an AST can mitigate anywhere close to 90% of incoming damage is just going to make people laugh. Your points can't be taken seriously.

Quit listening to what people say and level all 3. Do some actual comparisons with real recorded numbers. You're way off base with your understanding of the 3 jobs.

[Ootarion]

You're claiming you have done tests and "have the numbers"? That's actually AMAZING!



....supply them. both here AND the healer forums.

Alright then. You want the numbers I came up with? You understand that these numbers pertain to just Damage right? Here they are.

Lvl 60 WHM with item lvl 256 gear vs lvl 69 AST with item lvl 275 Gear

WHM: Aero III and Aero II combined damage total 9,881 (this is factoring in the upfront damage both spells do and their combined damage over time)

AST: Combust II damage total 8,504 (this is WITHOUT the use of Balance) with Balance's 20% damage increase this number would be 10,204.80, which is only 323.80 more damage then Aero III and Aero II combined. With Enhanced Balance which would be 50% more damage instead of 20%, this 8,504 Combust II damage would go up to 12,756 which is only 2,875 more damage then Aero III and Aero II combined.

I JUST did this test for your own benefit. Again my WHM is lvl 60 with item lvl 256 gear vs my lvl 69 AST with item lvl 275 gear. EVEN IF I was using the best gear for my AST's level right now, if my WHM was the same level with the same item level as my AST, my WHM would far and above still do way more damage! Without buffing itself, my AST CANNOT do more damage then WHM can but again, if my WHM was the same lvl and had the same item level as my AST, regardless of whether or not my AST buffs itself with Balance or Enhanced Balance, WHM would still hit harder!

[Ootarion]

I... Don't even know where to begin here...

Maybe with the histrionics and hyperbole. No one is keeping up AoE balance 60-70% of a fight. Not even close. If it happens, it's so rare you won't see it the next 10 times you do the same fight.

Adlo is far from worthless and saying an AST can mitigate anywhere close to 90% of incoming damage is just going to make people laugh. Your points can't be taken seriously.

Quit listening to what people say and level all 3. Do some actual comparisons with real recorded numbers. You're way off base with your understanding of the 3 jobs.

Thank you SnugglesD! It seems like many people are forgetting that even though AST can buff a party, the cards you draw are 100% RANDOM between 6 different cards on the first Draw, even with Redraw there is no guarantee that you are going to Draw Balance or Ewer or Spire. You could draw Balance, but then not see Ewer or Spire for quite some time, or you could draw Ewer or Spire and not see Balance for quite some time. Ive had this happen to me MORE THEN ONCE! So before people can use AST cards as ammo against letting them have nice healing and shielding, do bare in mind people that ASTs have no real control over when they can get the cards that many of you consider op!