Why are RDMs so scared of SMN being able to heal?

[Nhisso]

Why do dramatic kids make up problems like this?

[Kit-Kat]

Healer dies, tank needs healing, only RDM is alive that can use a healing spell...there is a reason right there.



Most likely troll post. I couldn't care less if SMN can heal similar/better/worse/not at all like a RDM. I rarely need to use Vercure, but when I do it's usually just once because the healer(s) are resurrecting.

There is something very wrong if healer dies in 4man content and requires RDM to heal it.

[Avatre]

There is something very wrong if healer dies in 4man content and requires RDM to heal it.

Lag spike, power outage causing the healer to DC - but dies before the DC goes all the way through, inattention, trying to DPS and not move out of AoE, tank pointing cleave monsters towards party...there are numerous reasons why a healer can die in 4man content.
Normally when I need to heal it's 8man, and both healers are dead/in process of being resurrected. Some people are just slow to react to insta-kill mechanics. Seen it lots in older content(Keeper of the Lake comes to mind).

[RyuujinZERO]

"Yeah, I understand the argument. With Dual Cast and the kind of healing they can do. When both healers are down and the Red Mage waltz in and saves the day. But, listen, Summoner players, listen okay? Red Mage can raise, okay? And Black Mage, nothing, okay? That's why we have jobs, okay?"

I have to wonder... if the logic was that SMN should never use their heal spell; why give SMN a heal spell at all?

I mean the entire mantra of 4.0 has been "reduce the clutter, consolidate the skills"; and yet here, one of SMN's precious skill list entries contains a skill that is literally unusable. And this apparently came at the cost of Sustain, which was the SMN's pet heal skill and thus very important and relevant!

If the heal is there on behalf of SCH, why not just add it to the SCH spell list? - It's not like ACN can queue as healer anyway.

[Kit-Kat]

If the heal is there on behalf of SCH, why not just add it to the SCH spell list? - It's not like ACN can queue as healer anyway.

Because low level content exists, and SCH gets synced down. You want a healer in your run without heals and raise? Healers get their main important tools at low level for a reason. And they can't remove it from SMN's list without hurting SCH, and they can't move it to SCH's job spells instead of base class without screwing SCH over.

[Roda]

Because low level content exists, and SCH gets synced down. You want a healer in your run without heals and raise? Healers get their main important tools at low level for a reason. And they can't remove it from SMN's list without hurting SCH, and they can't move it to SCH's job spells instead of base class without screwing SCH over.

I mean, jobs that start at 30/50 have their job skills listed as being acquired at lower levels so they can participate in synced content. I don't see why SCH can't have the same

[Claviusnex]

Because low level content exists, and SCH gets synced down. You want a healer in your run without heals and raise? Healers get their main important tools at low level for a reason. And they can't remove it from SMN's list without hurting SCH, and they can't move it to SCH's job spells instead of base class without screwing SCH over.

Sure they can. All SE needs to do is change Physick to Sustain at level 30 when you pick Summoner path. When running lower level content where Physick is effective switch it back. Nothing new if you look at how Bio and Miasma work in 4.0 with II and III sharing the same buttons.

[Freyt]

Honestly I just don't want to have skills that are basically useless, and SMN Physick is one of those skills. If you're not going to make it useful then just remove it from SMN's skill pool, oh and give them back Sustain.

[OMega_ARcane]

"You're a pet job, so manage your pets."

How are we supposed to manage said pets when we can't heal them if they get hit by something? Part of managing your pet is the ability to keep it alive, but if you don't have that then you can't actually manage them. Healers can't see pet health bars so more often than not Egis don't get healed aside from AoEs. If they are honestly afraid of SMNs being able to do things they can't because Titan-egi + sustain then nerf the healing sustain does, but at least give us SOME way to keep our pet alive. It was easier to level as SCH because Titan-egi died if more than one mob looked at it, which is just ridiculous.

While we're at it, give MCH a heal to keep our turrets alive too lol

[Voross]

If you think that every job within a role should be able to do the exact same thing everyone else can maybe you should play something else because an RPG with class fantasy clearly isn't your thing.