Why is NIN considered OP or highly viable?

[HoLoFoNo]

That is how the meta game works. You being flippant and sarcastic because you don't agree just shows that it has nothing to do with you, and you should be happy with what you get. There will always be a strongest and weakest, easiest and hardest etc. Sometimes the difference is too large which warrants balancing measures such as nerfs n buffs. Right now NIN is too strong and SAM and RDM are close behind (MNK also). BRD is ahead of RDM when a DRG is involved, but right now DRG is dog shite so this isn't a common scenario. These classes (not DRG) are also the easiest and most lenient classes in a fight. NIN can also manage agro that helps tank DPS quite a bit and RDM can raise and cure. People who play good classes will hate the meta changing and those who play bad will love it. Perhaps after this patch MCH indeed becomes too strong, and then after savage people will be calling a nerf. There is nothing wrong with this and its the nature of pretty much any online game that is aiming for balance.


The issue is, people need to stop being children when they hear something they don't like and understand that things like these forums exist specifically to discuss this stuff.

[MomoOG]

That is how the meta game works. You being flippant and sarcastic because you don't agree just shows that it has nothing to do with you, and you should be happy with what you get. There will always be a strongest and weakest, easiest and hardest etc. Sometimes the difference is too large which warrants balancing measures such as nerfs n buffs. Right now NIN is too strong and SAM and RDM are close behind (MNK also). BRD is ahead of RDM when a DRG is involved, but right now DRG is dog shite so this isn't a common scenario. These classes (not DRG) are also the easiest and most lenient classes in a fight. NIN can also manage agro that helps tank DPS quite a bit and RDM can raise and cure. People who play good classes will hate the meta changing and those who play bad will love it. Perhaps after this patch MCH indeed becomes too strong, and then after savage people will be calling a nerf. There is nothing wrong with this and its the nature of pretty much any online game that is aiming for balance.


The issue is, people need to stop being children when they hear something they don't like and understand that things like these forums exist specifically to discuss this stuff.

Well said. I always find it funny how much people stress out fighting the inevitable.

[silentwindfr]

i will ask a stupid question, do the difference of dps is that big? not really... that the whole point. do the dps of the tank change a lot the team survivability i'm not sure, yes the nin transfert of hate help, but the tank dps is far to be the most important (about 1 k less than the lowest dps)
generally outside the sam, the dps is comprise between 3500-3100 in average... what bother people that now a new meta did appear and them favorite is not inclued into it *shrugs*

*eat popcorn*

[Galvuu]

generally outside the sam, the dps is comprise between 3500-3100 in average... what bother people that now a new meta did appear and them favorite is not inclued into it *shrugs*

400 in 3100 is a lot. That's 13%. I don't know what the figures you posted are (if it's just personal dps, if it's personal+raid dps, what percentile or fight we're discussing), but 10% is a lot in any metric.
It's a lot for progression, it's a lot for speed killing, it's just a lot.
I've struggled with clearing content at sub 10% (god damned Brute Justice)- it's surely not an amount that you can ignore.

(Weren't you also pretty upset when I was rallying for SMN buffs before? If a "small difference" doesn't bother you here, why would it bother you if SMN were to outdps most jobs by 10%?)

[Oscura]

generally outside the sam, the dps is comprise between 3500-3100 in average... what bother people that now a new meta did appear and them favorite is not inclued into it *shrugs*

*eat popcorn*

I play Red Mage. My favorite is included. Most SAMs are thankful I exist just because of Embolden alone and I'm glad I can help their damage. I am getting sick of people having this stupid pigheaded argument that "your favorite class/your class isn't included therefore you are just jelly." "You're not as good as <other class> therefore you are just jelly."

[Gwaeron89]

iwhat bother people that now a new meta did appear and them favorite is not inclued into it *shrugs*

*eat popcorn*

What bothers me personaly is that people considering everythinh that is not part of this meta being a hot garbage. Its positively impossible to find any solid savage static playing blm no matter how good you are or how ready you are to learn and play optimaly. No one cares, not part of the meta, get out. Honestly it just completely ridiculous and unfair.

[Ryaz]

What bothers me personaly is that people considering everythinh that is not part of this meta being a hot garbage. Its positively impossible to find any solid savage static playing blm no matter how good you are or how ready you are to learn and play optimaly. No one cares, not part of the meta, get out. Honestly it just completely ridiculous and unfair.

People who ONLY go by the meta are usually idiots because ANYONE should be able to clear content with any combo of classes. You can simulate numbers and look at charts all you want, in the end it always comes down to player skill. A good BLM or MNK is always going to be better than a mediocre RDM, NIN or SAM.

[Ferrasper]

They are valuable because they are Naruto, and every party needs a Naruto in their midst.