Did Samurai replace Monk?

[Kazrah]

When was it ever?

Think it was by like a hair in the later halves of HW and ARR.

Monk doesn't seem that terrible, but that has always seemed to be the case. Biggest hurdle for Monk development I think is trying to provide extra features to what has really been the perfect basic rotation, and the solution was adding QoL adjustments to features added in HW (specifically chakra use). I think they succeeded in that, but then tried too hard to make predominantly pointless features relevant (a.k.a. the riddle system).

It's not in the best place, but it's still well ahead on that list.

[Morzy]

Tldr: mad cuz monk isn't top dps anymore.

When you make it very clear that you like Monk for the playstyle and enjoyed it before you even knew it was top DPS... And still get replies like this. <.<

[YitharV2]

Tldr: mad cuz monk isn't top dps anymore.

Monk isn't that bad DPS wise. See thread. It's how it feels.

[Harz]

enhanced mantra ... fracture

I would just like to point out that mantra is 20% by default now, without the trait.

As someone who played WAR from when I first started right up until the release of Stormblood though, Fracture can rot in a ditch.

[Morzy]

I would just like to point out that mantra is 20% by default now, without the trait.

As someone who played WAR from when I first started right up until the release of Stormblood though, Fracture can rot in a ditch.

It's funny. I read somewhere on a post earlier today where someone mentioned enhanced mantra for monk and I thought the exact words you just said. Weird how my fingers wanted to retype it. <_<

Right now monk is on a spot where its no good but not bad either, due to its base mechanics. Problem is that the new skills are either pointless or just a compensation of the class buffs the monk has lost. Gameplay wise it feels like a nerfed 3.0 monk with a teeny little bit of utility with Brotherhood.

Its simply on not a horrible state because on 3.0 was the top dps so the nerfs didnt send it to the botton of the chain, but is not on a good place either specially when right now sam is how monk has should be: no utility but dps high enough to be a viable option despite that.

Right now people looking for super duper high dps have the sam, while others looking for damage with utility can simply get the ninja. Dragoon is on a bad spot though, but at least nothing that some value buffs cant fix while monk is stuck with the mostly crappy SB skills that have come to stay, not counting that monk gameplay is basically the same unlike most of the other classes that have received changes alongside the way

I hope you're wrong. I hope they fix it. They removed the castign stuff from support, so I think there's hope. But yeah, SAM + DRG/NIN, why go any other way? :/ Monk is so unappealing to raid with now, too, I sure as heck wouldn't try.

[Bhearil]

Right now monk is on a spot where its no good but not bad either, due to its base mechanics. Problem is that the new skills are either pointless or just a compensation of the class buffs the monk has lost. Gameplay wise it feels like a nerfed 3.0 monk with a teeny little bit of utility with Brotherhood.

Its simply on not a horrible state because on 3.0 was the top dps so the nerfs didnt send it to the botton of the chain, but is not on a good place either specially when right now sam is how monk has should be: no utility but dps high enough to be a viable option despite that.

Right now people looking for super duper high dps have the sam, while others looking for damage with utility can simply get the ninja. Dragoon is on a bad spot though, but at least nothing that some value buffs cant fix while monk is stuck with the mostly crappy SB skills that have come to stay, not counting that monk gameplay is basically the same unlike most of the other classes that have received changes alongside the way

[Coatl]

You realize MNK has brotherhood and mantra right. If MNK did the same DPS as samurai, samurai then would have no place.

[Tigra]

You realize MNK has brotherhood and mantra right. If MNK did the same DPS as samurai, samurai then would have no place.

you are trolling.... right? only reason people ever took monk in the first place was for the dps it had and MNK had Manthra forever, no one took MNK for that at all also MNK is the only dps that does blunt damage so they have zero synergy with any other job in the game. "but brotherhood!" WOO 5% PHYSICAL damage buff for 15 seconds every 1:30... yea real talk id rather be doing 300 more dps like SAM is right now who actually has synergy with other jobs

[SpeckledBurd]

you are trolling.... right? only reason people ever took monk in the first place was for the dps it had and MNK had Manthra forever, no one took MNK for that at all also MNK is the only dps that does blunt damage so they have zero synergy with any other job in the game. "but brotherhood!" WOO 5% PHYSICAL damage buff for 15 seconds every 1:30... yea real talk id rather be doing 300 more dps like SAM is right now who actually has synergy with other jobs

Correction, in ARR people took Monk for Dragon Kick, because it had the highest personal DPS the 10% intelligence down on it was critical to survival. In Heavensward, Dark Knight had the Intelligence down and it was better at tanking most fights because most tank busters were magical which played well with Dark Mind. It's personal DPS was also not sufficiently high enough that it was viable compared to a Dragoon with Battle Litany who buffed your Bard/Machinist (or both during the final Tier) or Ninja who had trick attack and aggro shenanigans.

[Morzy]

Correction, in ARR people took Monk for Dragon Kick, because it had the highest personal DPS the 10% intelligence down on it was critical to survival.

Indeed, I do remember the time when the gear lvl was just enough to where you could beat T13 BUT it was a lot easier with a Monk. Those days are gone, though, and so is that 10% INT debuff. Why they took that away, I have no idea.