MCH future changes from the live letter

[Kasathar]

I'm happy to see the initial changes...actually I am excited and eager to test them! All I can say is, guys, don't overthink this, it's a good thing, actually an amazing thing! Be happy about it instead of nitpicking so much without even having the chance to test it yet.

[Zeonsilt]

Let's wait for patchnotes, since we don't know what "And more" means.
Overall, the changes looks good. (aside from Quick Reload rework, it was very useful with that -10 Heat reduction)

[Id_Slayer]

I am looking forward to it, Yoshi P.!(lol) But if I might add a bit more- I am OK and understanding of Hotshot being reduced to 5 heat gain, but I do not understand why Quick Reload has to lose it's -10 heat. Now, I have accidentally over-heated a few times, I will admit. I suppose having that sweet spot being 80's instead of 90's is safer in avoiding overheating so it is not so punishing. The 8% damage from Hotshot is nice, but I hope the 'and more' part includes changes to either a.) more dps somehow or b.) more utility somehow.

I can sympathize with Yoshi's statement that many players have many different thoughts on how our job could be improved. It's because there are so many more clever ways they could have balanced MCH with the heat mechanic, and so many missed opportunities. It's like they spent more time getting it to not be completely broken and just barely got it to production

For example, they could have added a stacking 7s duration debuff on the enemy. Each stack being a few tics of DOT heat damage to the target. The higher the # of stacks, the more potent the DOT tic. Cap at 3 per enemy. Every heated shot would add one stack, and as long as you continued to use heated shots, the stacks would climb to or remain at 3, doing maybe the same damage as lead shot or slightly more. 7s would allow us to build up and maintain 1-2 stacks on say, 3 targets, or 3 full stacks of the dot on a single target and allow for hotshot/Cooldown single GCD usage without them dropping off. Doing this would also allow us to continue to do our powerful heated shot rotation, further encouraging us to stay within that magic 50-100 heat range...and give us another 100-200 dps, to compliment the extra 100 ish from the HotShot adjustment.

[Shunye]

let's be realistic here though. bard's and mch were already a sliver apart in dps on single targets. these buffs alone should push good mch into the realm of caster dps let alone any other buffs in store that havent been announced yet. Thats also not saying anything for the potency scaling advantage that mch have over bards. It looks like it's going to be HW all over again. mch last at release then mch overbuffed every patch until they do so much damage even the bad players are doing good damage on the class with clunky mechanics.

[Elnidfse]

let's be realistic here though. bard's and mch were already a sliver apart in dps on single targets. these buffs alone should push good mch into the realm of caster dps let alone any other buffs in store that havent been announced yet. Thats also not saying anything for the potency scaling advantage that mch have over bards. It looks like it's going to be HW all over again. mch last at release then mch overbuffed every patch until they do so much damage even the bad players are doing good damage on the class with clunky mechanics.

You seem to be missing the part where the reason MCH were far more desirable was because they overbuffed hypercharge on top of raising our personal DPS. This also didn't happen over a long period of patches. They fixed our GB being a dps loss. A few hot QoL changes. And our big powershift came with the aforementioned buff at 3.2 which threw us straight to the top. I should also remind you that patch 3.2 took half a year and an entire raid tier later.


These changes thus far give us close to a ~100 dps increase (remove the 5% DPS from an 80th percentile MCH. Multiply by 1.08% instead). Bards perform ~20 DPS (using extrapolation) higher than MCH while also providing almost 1% more rDPS (Hypercharge is a potential 1% but with the average 15% uptime ends up being 0.625%. Foe+crit+Battlevoice hits close to 1.7%) which can equate to ~100-180 (adjusting down for uptime) more overall dps
So 100 - 20 (the difference) = 80 over in personal
Take that 80 and weigh it against the rDPS difference between us and BRDs which puts us to 20-100 in your favor. This is assuming that we don't see more overall changes other than QoL ones for heat management. They said "and more" so that's what I would be expecting.


The only thing realistic, my friend, is that you should do your math more. Short of them over buffing hypercharge again, we will still be competitive with each other. . .
This is also a rather weird thing to cause somebody concern given the very visible and easily identifiable difference in performance between BRD and MCH right now

[XgungraveX]

so quick question overcharge turret doesnt help with wildfire dmg?

[Elnidfse]

so quick question overcharge turret doesnt help with wildfire dmg?

You're talking about overload, yes? Overload has absolutely no effect on wildfire damage.

[XgungraveX]

You're talking about overload, yes? Overload has absolutely no effect on wildfire damage.

so that 400 potecy doesnt add any dmg towards wildfire thats lame.

[Eir_Z]

So SE took away our only heat reduction ability for low level dungeons...

[s3ystic]

So SE took away our only heat reduction ability for low level dungeons...

That's what it looks like (so far) which will be a pain but it hasn't dropped yet, I'm hoping they change their minds, more than likely they wont until they see peoples reactions to it. It looks like they want us to build heat at a more manageable rate, but without a ability to vent that heat in low level dungeons I feel is a nerf in the end. I am also getting tired of this idea that a class is balanced around their last 10 levels mentality that is growing with certain classes. I get the fact MCH starts at level 30, it honestly should play "fine" out of the gate, that's why I'm against the "nerf" to quick reload. It seems backwards to me. I want to feel like I am improving while leveling, not just waiting for a core mechanic to unlock so I can play it "right."