Memory..is it PCs in 32 bit or ps4?

[Ghastly]

Just want to see if we have to wait for ps5 or if it's just 32bit PCs...

[Medicine]

What's a 32bit PC?

[Fredco191]

32 bit PCs (From what I've heard) but nobody says "32 bit PC limitations."

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

that 4 gig memory limitation. Which means they have to design the game to use less than that. Much less, because they have to account for the OS overhead, background programs, and the like. Thats why he was asking people to please change to 64-bit OS's at the fanfest.

[Alael]

that 4 gig memory limitation. Which means they have to design the game to use less than that. Much less, because they have to account for the OS overhead, background programs, and the like. Thats why he was asking people to please change to 64-bit OS's at the fanfest.

To honest thats a flat out lies, I'm in Kugane and look how much memory it use, Take in account max setting at 4k here:

https://gyazo.com/a77eaa5d93cdf1b75ba03278f7e8d4ed

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

To honest thats a flat out lies, I'm in Kugane and look how much memory it use, Take in account max setting at 4k here:

https://gyazo.com/a77eaa5d93cdf1b75ba03278f7e8d4ed

I mean, less than 2 gigs is much less than 4 gigs. Not lying. For me, at max settings at 1080p, its 1.1gigs.

I'm not sure where you refuted my point.

[sonicadventures]

32 bit PCs. He's mentioned it before.

[KisaiTenshi]

Every PC and games console (sans handhelds) have been 64-bit since the Gamecube, PS3, and Xbox 360, as these were all PPC systems. The Current Xbox One and PS4 use 64-bit x86 CPU's, and every CPU except for some embedded models have been 64-bit on the PC since 2004.

The only reason Microsoft keeps releasing 32-bit versions of the Windows OS is because enterprise (eg businesses with 500+ employees) have slow hardware turnover, and various things from embedded XP in subway turnstiles to POS kiosks at Target and Bestbuy still use it. These systems may only have had 256MB ram in them.

The point when you need a 64bit OS is when you have more than 2GB of ram. If you have 4GB of ram, XP only uses 3GB, and most 32-bit software when it runs on a 64-bit OS only uses 2GB.

You can blame Firefox and Google Chrome for dragging their feet in building a 64-bit browser, and Adobe for dragging it's feet on a 64-bit Flash implementation for why so many machines still run 32-bit OS's despite there hasn't been a need to run a 32-bit OS since Windows Vista. Most of the non-Windows platforms switched to pure-64bit (eg MacOS, Linux and FreeBSD) and Windows-on-Windows 32-bit layer has worked fine since Vista.

What doesn't work are 16-bit Windows programs on 64-bit OS's, and this is a problem that is extended to API emulation like WINE. You can't make this stuff work because the underlying CPU tricks can't be invoked. Hence you need to actually emulate a 32-bit CPU emulating a 16-bit CPU for 16-bit software to run. Why people are still trying to use 16-bit software (other than the few games that did) is a bit of a conundrum.

I've known people to keep their Windows XP machines around just to run 16-bit software, and people have kept their Win98 machines to run DOS software. We shouldn't need to keep this old hardware around, but we do, and not just for that. WinXP is the last OS that supports legacy hardware (eg ISA expansion cards, serial ports, parallel ports, floppy drives) and only Pentium 3 and earlier hardware still has that.

But these machines mostly just collect dust. People are too lazy to migrate their data, and not competent enough to deal with virtual machines.

[Zachary]

But these machines mostly just collect dust. People are too lazy to migrate their data, and not competent enough to deal with virtual machines.

Its cause companies don't like to upgrade do to money; Nor do thy update their OS with patches fearing it'll make their software or hardware not work. My work place uses XP, and a BAM had 3.11 on their cash registers last time I went there.

[KisaiTenshi]

Its cause companies don't like to upgrade do to money; Nor do thy update their OS with patches fearing it'll make their software or hardware not work. My work place uses XP, and a BAM had 3.11 on their cash registers last time I went there.

Because a cash register doesn't need to do anything else. Why would a grocery store upgrade their point of sales system when it works just fine.

Out here, every single grocery and drug store is still using the exact same IBM 386-era hardware LED displays, cash drawers, and so forth, but they've added a LCD panel that shows your receipt being built in real time instead of what used to happen in the 80's where it was printed one line at a time and if you changed your mind on something they had to take a pen and cross things off the receipt. They started adding these things around 2004 (Walmart was first) and have barely changed since.

Same with your fast food places. They all upgraded to touch screen systems some time ago, but they're never going to replace those any time soon. We're now moving to the "self-serve" kiosk model where you order everything at the kiosk or on your cell phone, and then just show the order number to the person at the restaurant, despite this clearly being abusable.

Yes, many places do hold onto hardware for ages, but these are usually "embedded" markets, not office PC's. Small businesses tend to have to upgrade in a faster cycle or they don't get to write it off for tax purposes. But those write offs have to span several years, so it may take 10 years to completely write off a $10,000 purchase, when it's warranty only lasts 3 years and is considered obsolete after 7.