Healer adjustment in 4.05

[Xhareem]

Those changes to SCH don't solve the real problem: our shields just add 10% of tanks' max HP. They are terribly weak. Only crit Adlo is a real mitigation tool.

Meanwhile SCH mitigation is so weak compared to Noct AST, what's the point on bringing an SCH over an AST? AST has better shielding and much better buffs. Clear choice.

[Yuyuka3]

Those changes to SCH don't solve the real problem: our shields just add 10% of tanks' max HP. They are terribly weak. Only crit Adlo is a real mitigation tool.

Meanwhile SCH mitigation is so weak compared to Noct AST, what's the point on bringing an SCH over an AST? AST has better shielding and much better buffs. Clear choice.

The choice will only be between WHM and SCH anyways due to how much AST brings to the table. That was clear to me from the beginning. And with those changes, I feel SCH gets ahead of WHM again (not that they really ever were behind), just as predicted...

[xNewbx]

The choice will only be between WHM and SCH anyways due to how much AST brings to the table. That was clear to me from the beginning. And with those changes, I feel SCH gets ahead of WHM again (not that they really ever were behind), just as predicted...

I agree, SCH is still ahead of the WHM currently. I'm glad I decided to level the AST.

And no, WHM isn't bad, it's actually quite nice. SCH is just better.

[Xhareem]

WHM and SCH can't compare. WHM is regens, party healing and high HPS. SCH is (or should be) mitigation, mostly one target.

You can compare WHM with Diurnal AST or you can compare SCH with Nocturnal AST. I don't know if WHM healing output can compete with Diurnal AST (leaving buffs aside), but what I really know is SCH mitigation and healing can't compete with Nocturnal AST (leaving buffs aside as well).

[AlphaSonic]

WHM and SCH can't compare. WHM is regens, party healing and high HPS. SCH is (or should be) mitigation, mostly one target.

You can compare WHM with Diurnal AST or you can compare SCH with Nocturnal AST. I don't know it WHM healing output can compete with Diurnal AST (leaving buffs aside), but what I really know is SCH mitigation and healing can't compete with Nocturnal AST (leaving buffs aside as well).

It will look like

WHM/Noc AST -> Less DPS more healing
SCH/Diu AST -> more DPS less healing
WHM/SCH -> LOL

[VanilleFang]

Where are people getting that Diurnal AST has stronger healing than WHM?

[Yuyuka3]

WHM and SCH can't compare. WHM is regens, party healing and high HPS. SCH is (or should be) mitigation, mostly one target.

You can compare WHM with Diurnal AST or you can compare SCH with Nocturnal AST. I don't know it WHM healing output can compete with Diurnal AST (leaving buffs aside), but what I really know is SCH mitigation and healing can't compete with Nocturnal AST (leaving buffs aside as well).

High DPS? What? WHM is marginally better than the other healers, especially SCH, in single target, and if you consider that said other healers can actually increase party DPS, WHM is far, far, FAR behind even in that regard. And no, they cannot compare to AST healing output at all. AST has a 10% potency modifier on ALL their heals in Diurnal, 15% in Nocturnal. WHM got... a 50 potency increase on Cure and Cure II. That's not really comparable, AST blows WHM way out of the water in EVERY regard. AST also got an instant ST heal on a 40 sec CD, and don't even make me start with Earthly Star. F*** that skill, honestly, and whoever tought that's a good idea to implement. And I didn't compare WHM and SCH. I said the choice what second healer you will take will be between WHM or SCH, because AST is so OP that they are almost guaranteed a spot in a static. I didn't say WHM and SCH are the same, but they are equally lacking compared to AST, just in their respective regards. I also know the differences between healers quite well, thank you very much.

The only thing WHM is really good at is decimating dungeon packs, so I guess I will stay a dungeon healer for the rest of my playtime because I CAN'T DO ANYTHING OUTSIDE OF DUNGEONS THE OTHERS CANNOT DO BETTER!

Where are people getting that Diurnal AST has stronger healing than WHM?

Maybe at the part where Diurnal Sect grants 10% more healing on EVERY skill the AST (not abilities), with comparable potencies as WHM???

I agree, SCH is still ahead of the WHM currently. I'm glad I decided to level the AST.

And no, WHM isn't bad, it's actually quite nice. SCH is just better.

Never said it's bad. But I'm really disappointed, and actually quite enraged, at how BLIND the people doing healer balance are, and how little they actually care for what the people who play the jobs daily tell them. Because if they would listen, we wouldn't have this problem to begin with because WHM would have something that makes taking them to raids over the other healers actually worthwile. But now. They play ostrich and just burry their heads in the sand.

[Ghishlain]

Where are people getting that Diurnal AST has stronger healing than WHM?

AST (in general) has more "oomph" per GCD than the other two healers. They lack oGCDs so their throughput suffers because of it.

WHM has higher throughput thanks to the number of oGCDs they have. They can put more HPS out in spikes but generally have less total potency than AST over a similar period of time.

[RyuDragnier]

Please let that Indom change make it 1s cooldown like Lustrate! That would fix a lot of the AoE healing problems we have while not making us too broken on that front. As for Miasma II...please let it be AoE we throw at a group of enemies this time, not centered around us.

[AlphaSonic]

Please let that Indom change make it 1s cooldown like Lustrate! That would fix a lot of the AoE healing problems we have while not making us too broken on that front. As for Miasma II...please let it be AoE we throw at a group of enemies this time, not centered around us.

"Not Broken" LOL