Thread: Healer adjustment in 4.05

Why do we keep seeing this "no shield for 65 lvls" crap, its only 16 lvls after AST gets one... Do people just forget AST doesnt unlock Noct til lvl 50? Then all this "get rid of RNG" then complain about RNG reliant abilities being strong... I wonder if WHMs would be happier getting 4 buttons to directly manage lilies, use 1 lily button, use 2 lilies button, use 3 lilies buttons, activate used lilies for next skill, then press skill...

And can we all stop complaining about having more reasons to use Cure I and Physick... They're bread and butter MP efficient heals, if you don't need to use them, you probably don't need any of the bonuses they give either. (Didn't include Bene 1 because for some reason, ASTs dont seem mind their MP efficient heal, weird...)

Or maybe people keep treating their toolkit like a box of nails, so when someone has to (or chooses to) use them as different tools it stands out.

Originally Posted by OcieKo

Why do we keep seeing this "no shield for 65 lvls" crap, its only 16 lvls after AST gets one... Do people just forget AST doesnt unlock Noct til lvl 50?

So what? Most of the content in the game is 50-60 stuff. What do ASTs have to complain about?

Originally Posted by Fawkes

So what? Most of the content in the game is 50-60 stuff. What do ASTs have to complain about?

Maybe you and me read the content lists differently, but 1-49 has vastly more, and by the time you have a 50 AST 50 content is outgeared simply by merit of having acquired well beyond making the content irrelevant gear before you can have a 30 AST. But theres an entire of segment of content that exists where only SCH have shields. And entire slew of content before that where theres a lack of non conj aoe heals. Between Quests, Fates, Guildleves, Company Leves, Hunt Log, Hunt Bill Marks, and Beast Tribes, most content is 1-49. Heck theres not even 59-70 adeventurer leves in the game skewing it even further in favor of lowbie.

Originally Posted by OcieKo

Maybe you and me read the content lists differently, but 1-49 has vastly more, and by the time you have a 50 AST 50 content is outgeared simply by merit of having acquired well beyond making the content irrelevant gear before you can have a 30 AST. But theres an entire of segment of content that exists where only SCH have shields. And entire slew of content before that where theres a lack of non conj aoe heals. Between Quests, Fates, Guildleves, Company Leves, Hunt Log, Hunt Bill Marks, and Beast Tribes, most content is 1-49. Heck theres not even 59-70 adeventurer leves in the game skewing it even further in favor of lowbie.

Hey, did you know? Stoneskin was cross-classable, and availabe at what again? Early 30's? So basically exactly when needing shields becomes a thing. I got some of the old dungeons during leveling roulettes lately, and they have not been very fun without Stoneskin. But what do I even know, it's been a horrible skill anyway even in that content!

Originally Posted by Yuyuka3

Hey, did you know? Stoneskin was cross-classable, and availabe at what again? Early 30's? So basically exactly when needing shields becomes a thing. I got some of the old dungeons during leveling roulettes lately, and they have not been very fun without Stoneskin. But what do I even know, it's been a horrible skill anyway even in that content!

I've been leveling WHM on my alt because it is hands down my favorite healer class now, and low level dungeons feel exactly the same without SS.

WHM is way better than people give it credit for. The only thing that is off imo is DB eating all lilies and PI... and thats getting fixed.

Originally Posted by OcieKo

Why do we keep seeing this "no shield for 65 lvls" crap, its only 16 lvls after AST gets one... Do people just forget AST doesnt unlock Noct til lvl 50?

I don't want to argue this too much, because I'm never going back to that content anyway, but consider that some people might want to do (min) synced Lv 50/60 content. And there is content at those levels that need mitigation from both healers. T5, T9, T13 tankbusters, T10 prey, A7S cages are just the first that come to mind.
But I think it's more of a general problem that SE barely cares if the classes are functional at older level caps when we get a new exansion.

I'm curious if Miasma 2 will be changed. I'd give it something like 50 potency direct damage + small dot. That would allow it to be spammable on 5+ targets, but still a dps boost on 2-4 targets if cast once for the dot.

Originally Posted by Rhinos

I'm curious if Miasma 2 will be changed. I'd give it something like 50 potency direct damage + small dot. That would allow it to be spammable on 5+ targets, but still a dps boost on 2-4 targets if cast once for the dot.

I'm hoping it is similar to Aero 3.

I'm disappointed that SE is clearly ignoring the Adloquium potency problem, which is arguably the largest flaw, by far, of the entire scholar toolkit.

if they made aetherflow a 30s cd, the mp cost on adlo wouldn't be as big of an issue, but the potency problem would still remain. if they double the shield (make it 2.0) for non-crits as well as crits, then it would be more in line with astro shields.

For those wondering, the potency difference between non-crit shieds:
Astro has 575 potency shield, while scholars have a 300 potency shield.

For crit shields:
Astro has 862 potency, to the scholar's 900.

so, for 25% more mp, and a full gcd to cast it, you too, can have a 20% chance to get 37.5 higher potency than the star healer.