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  1. #1
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    amihavingfunyet's Avatar
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    Rhiki Sylva
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    Omega
    Main Class
    White Mage Lv 90
    ■Scholar
    Some good changes here for Miasma 2, Fey Union and Aetherpact/Faerie Gauge.
    "Strengthening" (whatever this means) Excog and "stay tuned" for Indom paired with a (new?) trait for reduced AF CD seems like a can of worms, that could possibly shoot SCH right back into their 100% "mandatory" seat.

    ■Astrologian
    ・Arcana and Royal Road cards can now be discarded via an action.
    SE should stop making abilities for this, they are clunky (can't be used while you cast) and have worse functionality than removing any of the card/buffs in 3.x. Arcana Gauge just needs to have the ability to let you click any card or buff off like the buff bar would allow you to.

    ■White Mage
    ・Adjustments to the rate of which Healing Lilies are granted.
    Could be good, could be meh.
    Simply generating more Lilies isn't solving the problem, that the WHM has little to no control over Lily use. Having Benison only cost 1 Lily (and only 1, no matter how many you have) would be a good start.
    ・Plenary Indulgence will see some major adjustments.
    Can't say much, depends how they make it work.
    Overall the apparent weaknesses are still there, no raid DPS utility and only 1 mitigation tool, that's also only single target (Diurnal AST still brings CU and possibly the Bole)
    Edit: Just to clarify, I'm mostly happy the way WHM plays right now.
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    Last edited by amihavingfunyet; 07-16-2017 at 06:45 AM. Reason: char limit

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    technole's Avatar
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    Thea Sitori
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    Gilgamesh
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    Scholar Lv 72
    Yeah, some forget even a Noct A.Benefic costs the same as a Helios.

    Adlo is fine for what it does and being able to deploy. The cost maybe a bit high at level 70 like many have been alluding to. I'll reserve judgement once we see the revised Aetherflow trait. If anything, having more stacks "sooner" can alleviate this point and build fairy gauge more.
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    Deox Rioux
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    Scholar Lv 80
    I'm good with these changes, pretty much lines up with the few things I felt could be better. That emergency tactics change is straight up weird tho
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    Zugz Zwang
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    Behemoth
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    Astrologian Lv 90
    I can't wait to see what they do with Plenary Indulgence. I'm excited to see what they have for Indom too!
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    Thea Sitori
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    Gilgamesh
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    Scholar Lv 72
    You are not alone. I'm still scratching my head on the Emergency Tactics change. It does help SCH/SCH combos better I suppose. As ET isn't used like a regular cooldown over Indom when possible.
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    Crushing Fatigue
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    Balmung
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    Scholar Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by technole View Post
    You are not alone. I'm still scratching my head on the Emergency Tactics change. It does help SCH/SCH combos better I suppose. As ET isn't used like a regular cooldown over Indom when possible.
    I'm actually pretty happy with it, even though it feels like a bit of a bandaid response to our cries for some more AOE healing capabilities. Still, being about to use ET more often when things are going pear shaped isn't a bad thing in my opinion - though the twenty second time is still fairly clunky.
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    Thea Sitori
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    Gilgamesh
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    Scholar Lv 72
    Quote Originally Posted by Enla View Post
    I'm actually pretty happy with it, even though it feels like a bit of a bandaid response to our cries for some more AOE healing capabilities. Still, being about to use ET more often when things are going pear shaped isn't a bad thing in my opinion - though the twenty second time is still fairly clunky.
    Yeah, band-aid is about right. I mean SCH/SCH is annoying combo to aoe heal on-demand. But aside from that SCH was already in a good AoE healing position.

    My complaints have been the high cost-benefit ratio of Scholar skills. So i'm curious to see what they will change to Indom because that will probably explain the 20s ET cooldown buff.
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    Ellia Lombardia
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    Lamia
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    Dancer Lv 90
    AST has been my main ever since 3.0 but the class has just become grossly broken now. I don't know why we keep getting buffs. I love the fact that we do but isn't it fair to acknowledge we are in fact a little too OP? This is seriously speaking.
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    Zugz Zwang
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    Behemoth
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    Astrologian Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Lunafreya View Post
    AST has been my main ever since 3.0 but the class has just become grossly broken now. I don't know why we keep getting buffs. I love the fact that we do but isn't it fair to acknowledge we are in fact a little too OP? This is seriously speaking.
    I don't really see what we're getting as a buff. Additionally, compared to a White Mage, I don't feel OP at all. Some people say we are, and that's totally okay. I understand their viewpoint. I disagree, but still understand. If I recall, there's still more changes to come. I'm hoping White Mages will get more love through the Plenary Indulgence rework and I'm thrilled Scholars are finally getting some attention. I think we're in a good place and I hope to see the other two jobs there with us very soon.
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    Inori Yuzuriiha
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    Famfrit
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    Culinarian Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Novak_04 View Post
    5 AoE's at once? Wow, you've somehow broken the game and bypassed the limitation of recast times. Impressive.

    Of course there is a middle ground, however I have simply been countering all of your arguments with math. Make an argument for a middle ground that doesn't consist of "luck" and I'll gladly hear you out.

    White mage is in a good place at the moment. Most of the changes people are calling for are to fix animation delays, more synergy between lilies (and their tied in abilities) and confessions, etc. The only REAL plea people are making is for a rework of Plenary Indulgence, which is getting fixed. I stand by a former statement: Nerfing Astros and Buffing White Mage/Scholar is NOT the same thing.
    Ya that was worded poorly my bad 5 aoe in 1 fight most I can do at once is like 3 and that's actually pretty hard
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