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    Sharl Llyntine
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    Quote Originally Posted by VanilleFang View Post
    Please stop acting like Stoneskin was good. It wasn't. It was a garbage mitigation tool, and an over all terrible ability.
    You know, as much as people say this, I think they're forgetting the fact that Stoneskin was able to be put in multiple targets. So in the rare cases where we'd have multiple weaknesses, and a boss Ultimate coming up, we could at least shield them both. Or heck, even Stoneskin II being able to give some AOE mitigation at the start of a fight was good. We have absolutely no way to mitigate AOE damage.
    But SCH has ways to mimic WHM level healing. It's just weird.
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    Uriel Valesti
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    Quote Originally Posted by Exiled_Tonberry View Post
    You know, as much as people say this, I think they're forgetting the fact that Stoneskin was able to be put in multiple targets. So in the rare cases where we'd have multiple weaknesses, and a boss Ultimate coming up, we could at least shield them both. Or heck, even Stoneskin II being able to give some AOE mitigation at the start of a fight was good. We have absolutely no way to mitigate AOE damage.
    But SCH has ways to mimic WHM level healing. It's just weird.
    I'm sorry but I think it's the complete opposite. People "miss SS" and think it was more useful than it actually was. I rarely used SS on anyone other than a tank who had weakness, and it was a complete waste to use your GCDs to Stoneskin mutiple people individually. That's a massive waste of MP and GCDs for a measly 10% buffer, especially since they have weakness (lower max HP).

    The only thing I miss about SS is making myself immune to certain knockbacks, like in Ifrit HM.

    And I don't recall a time when SCH could mimic WHM healing, pound for pound.
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    Zugz Zwang
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    The problem I'm seeing on this entire forum is that people have issues with White Mage and Scholar (rightfully so, in some cases) and they're taking them out on Astrologians because we don't have "the same" issues. This shouldn't be a White Mage/Scholar vs Astrologian game. It shouldn't be us vs them. We (Astros) are just as frustrated with the current state of WHM and SCH as you guys are! We're behind you! We support your movement... Stop taking your frustrations out on us as if it's our fault...
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    Inori Yuzuriiha
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    Culinarian Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Novak_04 View Post
    You have JUST as high of a chance of getting all Spears as you do all Balances.... Each card has the same chance of getting drawn (with the exception of the card active when you use Redraw, since there's no more replacements). Fortunately, we have math on our side... you, well you just have "hard facts" amirite?
    Your going overboard with what I'm saying... with average luck you can have a decent amount of balances in a single fight. Idc if you only get 3 balances that's more then a drg or sch can do with their buffs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by simiii View Post
    Your going overboard with what I'm saying... with average luck you can have a decent amount of balances in a single fight. Idc if you only get 3 balances that's more then a drg or sch can do with their buffs.
    The defense rests, your Honor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Novak_04 View Post
    The defense rests, your Honor.
    Well if that's the case then.
    Ast has chance of drawing nothing but balances his entire life. Idk about you but that's pretty game breaking and probably should be nerfed tho it's very unlikely there IS a chance at it and that's pretty game breaking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by simiii View Post
    Well if that's the case then.
    Ast has chance of drawing nothing but balances his entire life. Idk about you but that's pretty game breaking and probably should be nerfed tho it's very unlikely there IS a chance at it and that's pretty game breaking.
    The probability of drawing ONLY Balances over the course of a 3 minute fight is: 1/46656. Increase the duration of the fight and that probability gets exponentially smaller. Pretty game breaking if you ask me...

    Have you been advocating the nerf to Balance since Astros implementation? If not, then you're simply upset that it gives Astro an edge above the other two healers -- in which case you should be a bit more salty towards the current state of their toolkit, rather than that of the Astros. This whole forum thread is people calling for Astro nerfs when really all their wanting is White Mage/Scholar buffs. They're not the same thing! Nerfing Astros won't make them on-par with either of the other two classes because it won't fix the issues that the player base is shrieking about with respect to WHM and SCH. Fix those issues and then we'll talk.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Novak_04 View Post
    The probability of drawing ONLY Balances over the course of a 3 minute fight is: 1/46656. Increase the duration of the fight and that probability gets exponentially smaller. Pretty game breaking if you ask me....
    I tried being reasonable you seem to think ever fight is A you get a godly amount balance or B you get none at all and all you had say was it's still rng and that's why it's balanced. Belive it or not there is a middle ground. And I thought 3 was a pretty decent middle ground since I can do like 5 aoe at once

    Btw Im a whm main but been playing ast cuz it's obvious how broken it is. Aoe damage buffs aoe benediction that has no cast time and don't have to be charged to be good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by simiii View Post
    I tried being reasonable you seem to think ever fight is A you get a godly amount balance or B you get none at all and all you had say was it's still rng and that's why it's balanced. Belive it or not there is a middle ground. And I thought 3 was a pretty decent middle ground since I can do like 5 aoe at once

    Btw Im a whm main but been playing ast cuz it's obvious how broken it is. Aoe damage buffs aoe benediction that has no cast time and don't have to be charged to be good.
    5 AoE's at once? Wow, you've somehow broken the game and bypassed the limitation of recast times. Impressive.

    Of course there is a middle ground, however I have simply been countering all of your arguments with math. Make an argument for a middle ground that doesn't consist of "luck" and I'll gladly hear you out.

    White mage is in a good place at the moment. Most of the changes people are calling for are to fix animation delays, more synergy between lilies (and their tied in abilities) and confessions, etc. The only REAL plea people are making is for a rework of Plenary Indulgence, which is getting fixed. I stand by a former statement: Nerfing Astros and Buffing White Mage/Scholar is NOT the same thing.
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    Last edited by Novak_04; 07-16-2017 at 06:44 AM.

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    Iris'li Lokspuhr
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cressidia View Post
    Adjustment Details:
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    ・The introduction of “Miasma II” as a job specific skill.
    See the thing that confused me the most was the removal of Miasma II, followed by the addition of the Miasma III spell. Like, why did they take II out if they added a third iteration of it to the Stormblood ability list? Seems like it was removed on accident, or they just needed to take something out so every job would lose 4 abilities.
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