Thread: Healer adjustment in 4.05

Originally Posted by Yuyuka3

Maybe at the part where Diurnal Sect grants 10% more healing on EVERY skill the AST (not abilities), with comparable potencies as WHM???

Have you done the potency math to understand how much that changes the AST kit? It looks like a lot but the total potency differences between WHM and D.AST are closer than you think.

Originally Posted by AlphaSonic

"Not Broken" LOL

Yes, because we can use it 12 times in a row without any resources...remember, it takes Aetherflow stacks to use. Like with Lustrate, we can't spam it. If you use it 3 times in a row right after using Aetherflow you've screwed yourself and your party. It would come in handy for a few terrifying moments though...such as jumprope failure into Ukehi during Susan EX.

Originally Posted by Ghishlain

Have you done the potency math to understand how much that changes the AST kit? It looks like a lot but the total potency differences between WHM and D.AST are closer than you think.

This is why I was asking. It's not that big of a difference and the level of through put a WHM has (oGCD and MP) it's kind of equal.

I also think that we can't ignore Cure III. I know it's rather situational but in a lot of SB instances it is incredibly potent. There are a lot of stacking opportunities, especially during a fight like SusEx.

Originally Posted by Ghishlain

Have you done the potency math to understand how much that changes the AST kit? It looks like a lot but the total potency differences between WHM and D.AST are closer than you think.

Considering everything else they bring to the table, they should be way, WAY beneath what WHM can do in healing, so being 'closer than what it looks like' is still not even nearly enough. Besides, healing alone isn't everything, and no matter how you look at it, AST is far too OP at the moment, but even cutting one or the other won't chance sh** because considering everything including raid design, there is still no reason to bring a WHM over AST or even over SCH. Also, last time they were weaker in healing to compensate for their cards they cried until they got what they wanted - they became the king of healers. So even if that returned, it wouldn't change much because history would just repeat itself.

Originally Posted by Yuyuka3

Considering everything else they bring to the table, they should be way, WAY beneath what WHM can do in healing, so being 'closer than what it looks like' is still not even nearly enough. Besides, healing alone isn't everything, and no matter how you look at it, AST is far too OP at the moment, but even cutting one or the other won't chance sh** because considering everything including raid design, there is still no reason to bring a WHM over AST or even over SCH. Also, last time they were weaker in healing to compensate for their cards they cried until they got what they wanted - they became the king of healers. So even if that returned, it wouldn't change much because history would just repeat itself.

WHM has better MP sustain, better throughput, and higher raw single target DPS. This isn't 3.4 anymore where D.AST outshines WHM in every single facet of the kit. WHM now has a niche they can put their name onto and differentiate them from their AST counterpart. Groups should pick the healer pairs that are suitable for their comfort, skill, and group composition. There wasn't really that choice in 3.4 versus now.

If you and few other "hardcore" WHMs should seriously take off the 3.4 blinders and try to look at how the kit has changed, you might be able to get passed your own 3.4 biases about how the WHM kit is utterly and implicitly worse than the D.AST kit. Few people are disputing AST made out like a bandit, but there are quite a number of posters who can see what the WHM kit bring and can see how they can try to fit that into their own play versus "chasing the meta".

Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

Please let that Indom change make it 1s cooldown like Lustrate! That would fix a lot of the AoE healing problems we have while not making us too broken on that front. As for Miasma II...please let it be AoE we throw at a group of enemies this time, not centered around us.

You should be on the development team for ast you would fit right in

Originally Posted by Ghishlain

WHM has better MP sustain, better throughput, and higher raw single target DPS. This isn't 3.4 anymore where D.AST outshines WHM in every single facet of the kit. WHM now has a niche they can put their name onto and differentiate them from their AST counterpart. Groups should pick the healer pairs that are suitable for their comfort, skill, and group composition. There wasn't really that choice in 3.4 versus now.

If you and few other "hardcore" WHMs should seriously take off the 3.4 blinders and try to look at how the kit has changed, you might be able to get passed your own 3.4 biases about how the WHM kit is utterly and implicitly worse than the D.AST kit. Few people are disputing AST made out like a bandit, but there are quite a number of posters who can see what the WHM kit bring and can see how they can try to fit that into their own play versus "chasing the meta".

You didn't read the part where I mentioned WHMs higher personal DPS is a) only marginally better (around 200 dps more than SCH, at the most) and b) stinks compared to the increase the others bring to the group, did you? So tell my, why bring a WHM without anything beneficial to the group instead of a SCH or AST who can support said group outside of pure healing, while also delivering said healing at the same time? Tell me. I'm curious. Also, 3.4 bias? Not chasing the meta? LOL... Every. single. meta discussion I followed via Discord etc. agrees that AST/SCH is meta again. Better MP management doesn't do ANYTHING when there's nothing you can do that others cannot (and SCH gets buffed in that regard soon anyways, so even less of an advantage), Chain Stratagem is a pretty useful skill to have and nothing WHM can do comes close, and I don't think I have to touch upon AST and their monstrous kit. Also, most SCH I know agree that at 70 they have far less troubles than they had early on. But I didn't expect anything from an apologist anyway, so what am I even still doing here...

The bread-and-butter of healing economy are oGCDs and instant heals, and White Mage excels at that. White Mage came from the worst MP economy in HW to now first. With the amount of tools now at your disposal, you really need a train wreck to occur to run out of MP. The job is in a way better position than it was during Creator Savage, when it wasn't even desired.

Originally Posted by Yuyuka3

You didn't read the part where I mentioned WHMs higher personal DPS is a) only marginally better (around 200 dps more than SCH, at the most)

SCH I believe has the higher dps by 100 or 200...

Originally Posted by xNewbx

SCH I believe has the higher dps by 100 or 200...

Add in Chain Strategm as party DPS utility gain, and that is well more than that.