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    Rubiss's Avatar
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    Rubiss Tantegel
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    Cactuar
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    Scholar Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by IanFrench View Post
    Probably because sch's shield is fine. Adlo is still better than A.Benefic in both amount of hp restored and the shield if heal is critical.
    Assuming you crit 30% of the time, Aspected Benefic is more shield value. On top of costing less and being instant cast. It's better hands down in nearly every regard. Comparing critical potencies, it's not even that far behind Adlo. It's anything but fine.
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    Raim Surion
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    Marauder Lv 100
    I hope its not just the exact same Miasma II before with no changes to potency or how its used.
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    Xhareem Icebound
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    Arcanist Lv 70
    Those changes to SCH don't solve the real problem: our shields just add 10% of tanks' max HP. They are terribly weak. Only crit Adlo is a real mitigation tool.

    Meanwhile SCH mitigation is so weak compared to Noct AST, what's the point on bringing an SCH over an AST? AST has better shielding and much better buffs. Clear choice.
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    Player Yuyuka3's Avatar
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    Kyara Moonbane
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    Shiva
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    White Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Xhareem View Post
    Those changes to SCH don't solve the real problem: our shields just add 10% of tanks' max HP. They are terribly weak. Only crit Adlo is a real mitigation tool.

    Meanwhile SCH mitigation is so weak compared to Noct AST, what's the point on bringing an SCH over an AST? AST has better shielding and much better buffs. Clear choice.
    The choice will only be between WHM and SCH anyways due to how much AST brings to the table. That was clear to me from the beginning. And with those changes, I feel SCH gets ahead of WHM again (not that they really ever were behind), just as predicted...
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    Rin Tin
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    Sargatanas
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    Archer Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Yuyuka3 View Post
    The choice will only be between WHM and SCH anyways due to how much AST brings to the table. That was clear to me from the beginning. And with those changes, I feel SCH gets ahead of WHM again (not that they really ever were behind), just as predicted...
    I agree, SCH is still ahead of the WHM currently. I'm glad I decided to level the AST.

    And no, WHM isn't bad, it's actually quite nice. SCH is just better.
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    Last edited by xNewbx; 07-16-2017 at 12:05 AM.

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    Xhareem Icebound
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    WHM and SCH can't compare. WHM is regens, party healing and high HPS. SCH is (or should be) mitigation, mostly one target.

    You can compare WHM with Diurnal AST or you can compare SCH with Nocturnal AST. I don't know if WHM healing output can compete with Diurnal AST (leaving buffs aside), but what I really know is SCH mitigation and healing can't compete with Nocturnal AST (leaving buffs aside as well).
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    Last edited by Xhareem; 07-16-2017 at 12:50 AM.

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    Player Neela's Avatar
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    Flower Girl
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    Zodiark
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    Dancer Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Xhareem View Post
    Those changes to SCH don't solve the real problem: our shields just add 10% of tanks' max HP. They are terribly weak. Only crit Adlo is a real mitigation tool.

    Meanwhile SCH mitigation is so weak compared to Noct AST, what's the point on bringing an SCH over an AST? AST has better shielding and much better buffs. Clear choice.
    same goes for whm - ast/ast with op noc, aoe heal and dbl star is still the best setup you can go with... now even ast got a crit buff yay nothing left whats missing on their support side now. but for the changes theirselves I like what they trying to do with the shorter aether cd - sch might fill out the off healer role better... with lots of instant casts they can become important to situations were you have to react pretty fast. oh wait... asts have light speed I forgot that... meh well at least I tried to find something good in it : /
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    Last edited by Neela; 07-18-2017 at 09:38 PM.

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    Player MoroMurasaki's Avatar
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    Moro Murasaki
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    Zalera
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    Red Mage Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Neela View Post
    same goes for whm - ast/ast with op noc, aoe heal and dbl star is still the best setup you can go with... now even ast got a crit buff yay nothing left whats missing on their support side now. but for the changes theirselves I like what they trying to do with the shorter aether cd - sch might fill out the off healer role better... with lots of instant casts they can become important to situations were you have to react pretty fast. oh wait... asts have light speed I forgot that... meh well at least I tried to find something good in it : /
    I am pretty sure I read that you could not double up on jobs in Savage though?
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    Faorin Shadowclaw
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    Balmung
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    Dancer Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by MoroMurasaki View Post
    I am pretty sure I read that you could not double up on jobs in Savage though?
    You can double up as long as you go in as a full party.
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    Ghishlain Pyrial
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    Mateus
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    White Mage Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by VanilleFang View Post
    Where are people getting that Diurnal AST has stronger healing than WHM?
    AST (in general) has more "oomph" per GCD than the other two healers. They lack oGCDs so their throughput suffers because of it.

    WHM has higher throughput thanks to the number of oGCDs they have. They can put more HPS out in spikes but generally have less total potency than AST over a similar period of time.
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