How can you continue to ignore monk completely?

[venom_nz]

Considering the question in the Live Letter was specific to Riddle of Fire and how the change in speed feels...

That's a Dragoon level leap you just made to use it as "proof" that players are unhappy with Monk as a whole.

Being a question in Live Letter itself is "proof". What other proof would you like? Would you like me to show you all the posts/threads globally about it?
Have you even played Monk? Do you even understand why Riddle of Fire even came up as an issue then?
If you don't have anything constructive to add about the discussion, possibly just not reply at all, to lessen the risk of sounding like a fool.

[Tigerlilley]

It's weird that everyone who doesn't play monk seems to have such negative opinions about the class. There was a thread on this forum earlier about having empathy for jobs that had been trashed, I guess everyone forgot about that.

[Berethos]

Being a question in Live Letter itself is "proof". What other proof would you like?

It's proof that the person that asked the question doesn't like how it makes the job feel slower when they like the Monk for its speed.

Using it as "proof" for anything else, including a general sense of dislike of Monk's current status overall by Monk players as a whole, is a massive stretch beyond the clear and obvious intent of the question from the live letter.

Let the actual feedback on the forums and Reddit serve as proof for that, instead of trying to shoehorn a greater sense of "importance" on a specific question. In your haste to act all high-n-mighty you apparently missed that I'm not suggesting there aren't issues and that Monk players as a whole are unhappy with the current state of the job, just that using one very specific question about a specific issue as "proof" of something bigger is, simply put, a mistake - especially when one simply has to look for the additional feedback on other issues to find that proof.

Also, yes I have played Monk - it's quite a fun job to play, and I look forward to taking it from it's current level of 60 to 70.

Finally, chill with the self-righteous attitude. You'll just end up embarrassing yourself if you continue like that.

[Tigerlilley]

It's proof that the person that asked the question doesn't like how it makes the job feel slower when they like the Monk for its speed.

Let the actual feedback on the forums and Reddit serve as proof for that, instead of trying to shoehorn a greater sense of "importance" on a specific question.

Reddit
The monk changes have been making me feel inadequate
Monk Rant - For and a thread of against
A Few minor tweaks needed to make monk fun
What I would have liked to have seen in monk - a good read
Black Mage and Monk Changes
My thoughts on fixing monk
The monk problem
A not so brief look at 4.0 Monk - good read about the skills in detail
The Action Rework and monk - how the devs failed
What happened to all the monks?
One Nameless Scrubs Unsolicited thoughts on monk
Job fun in Heavensward vs Stormblood
Level 70 MNKs: How is it up there

These are the most recent threads specifically opening with talking about monk - there are a bunch more. There's also interesting job discussion threads that include what could be good changes for monk.

Give me a sec to find the lodestone ones, the search is not as easy here.
Have empathy for jobs that got crushed

[Berethos]

Give me a sec to find the lodestone ones.

If you read my edit, you'll find you've no reason to go to all this extra effort.

I was never saying it has no issues, I simply took umbrage with the idea that asking one specific question on specific issue was somehow the proof instead of all the other threads and discussions being the actual proof of how the Monk player base feels.

Ya'll need to slow up a bit and consider what others are actually saying instead of piling on with a hot take.

[Tigerlilley]

Your backtracking edit is, how you put it, a dragoon sized level leap that you've taken against one persons choice of words. Actually now that I go back and look, you're the one who's talking about "proof". If you look through the posts I linked, even just a quick glance at, majority are really unhappy with Riddle of Fire and its slow speed and how it affects Monk as a whole. Are you suggesting that RoF, monks defining dps burst skill, and the discontentment around it, is not indicative of players dissatisfaction with monk?

If you agree that monk has issues, what are you arguing, exactly?

Haven't read too much into MNK, but the Tackle mastery would've made more sense if they implemented the changes to Tornado kick instead, and just change the effect of Tornado kick based on what riddle was currently active (Vuln up on mob, Potency buff, prevent stacks being consumed)
I'm nowhere near an experienced enough MNK to make any suggestions though.

Tornado kick is such a conundrum skill with monk. Everything in the class is based around keeping stacks and how important it is to keep them, Riddle of Earth being another example of (even though its weirdly implemented) keeping stacks.

Yet Tornado kick exists as it is.

Your idea is much better :/

[Berethos]

If you agree that monk has issues, what are you arguing, exactly?

That one person's post (that isn't even yours, so not sure why you've decided to aim your angst at me) claiming that one specific question was proof of all of the unhappiness found in the Monk community is a stretch.

It was and still is a silly statement which boils down to "This person in a question said they didn't like how x feels, so that's clear proof that all players of that job are unhappy with it as a whole."

That being said, it's clear that you'll go out of your way to misinterpret and blow out of proportion responses you don't care for, so have fun in this overwrought thread of yours.

Edit to add, because I'm feeling nitpicky - backtracking implies that I went back and changed my statement to contradict what I originally said, and at no point have I done that. I added clarification to my original point as I re-read my post after posting as I felt such clarification was needed (and given how quickly my criticism of part of an argument was misinterpreted to somehow mean I thought Monk has no issues right now or that the Monk community doesn't have issues, that clarification was clearly needed).

[Tigerlilley]

It was and still is a silly statement which boils down to "This person in a question said they didn't like how x feels, so that's clear proof that all players of that job are unhappy with it as a whole."

No one in this thread has said that except you, dude. You keep posting trying to make a point that... what? Monk is fine? Players think monk is fine? Riddle is not indicative of Monk as a whole despite it being their main 4.0 buff? I posted you a bunch of links i found in 5 seconds to contradict that, and the idea that this thread is overwrought. Are you really going to beat a dead horse over something you think someone else implied, in an opinion that, as you've said that monk indeed has issues, is no different to your own?

[Mikhaill]

Being a question in Live Letter itself is "proof". What other proof would you like? Would you like me to show you all the posts/threads globally about it?
Have you even played Monk? Do you even understand why Riddle of Fire even came up as an issue then?
If you don't have anything constructive to add about the discussion, possibly just not reply at all, to lessen the risk of sounding like a fool.

You need to chill.

[bustamanteverde]

So far the most tedious thing about my monk is the dancing from flank to rear positionals. I feel a smoother way to do the rotation would be first combo being rear x 3 then 2nd combo being flank x 3 then back to rear x 3. As it is now it just seems like I am on crack dancing with the bosses behind.