Thank you SE

[Cadmus]

Oh yep, guy below me is right.

Solo on a dummy, warr has more DPS. But in a raid setting, PLD gets slashing debuff, which puts its dps on par with Warr. And then they surpass Warr because Warr's gauge is more punishing.

I do like the changes for warr and drk. I am sad by the nerf on PLD tho instead of just bringing up the other tanks.

[konage]

Slashing debuff. Imagine if paladin had a 100% uptime their dps would be higher on the dummy

[konage]

They haven't said how much of a potency nerf yet. Might be a small potency decrease. And transition of fights matters. It's easier to spam holy spirit than 6 del cleaves.

[Furious]

Yay STR on accessories.

Wanna bet it's gonna be something like 20-30 STR, thereby making absolutely no difference to the current situation because VIT is still a binary stat that loses all value past the line of necessity?

Calling it right now.

If they put 30str on accessories, and you can socket 25 str, you're at 55 str. A 270 str accessory has ~100 rating, 140 with materia, while a 320 has ~200.

You'd be trading ~25 str for 60 secondary rating and 120 vitality. In the past, the top tier secondary rating is generally somewhere between 3 and 4 times weaker than primary in terms of dps, so we can call 60 secondary around 15 str, meaning you're at best giving up 10 str for 120 vitality.

Multiply by 4 and well.. that's one serious trade-off.

[Thoro39]

DRK+PLD was disadvantageous in HW for many reasons:

1) WAR was the only class who wanted to apply the slashing debuff without offing themselves
2) HW DRK wanted to take damage and tank the boss due to Bloodprice and Lowblow+Reprisal Procs, while doing as few powerslashes as possible
3) HW PLD naturally took aggro off HW DRK due Royal Authority combo'ing off Savage Blade, making DRK+PLD comps obviously a pain for the DRK to optimize
4) STR debuff/INT debuff from PLD/DRK weren't as good as WAR's Storm's Path

What changed in SB?
Point 1 is moot, since Ninja and Samurai readily and happily apply slashing now.
Point 2? Bloodprice got heavily nerfed and Reprisal/Lowblow procs got removed entirely.
Point 3? No longer an issue since Royal Authority now combo's off Riot Blade, as well as the inclusion of shirk support.
Point 4? All moot as well, since all debuffs got removed and thus the competition field got evened out between the tanks.

So yeah, I'd say PLD+DRK is definitely more viable/competitive now in SB than it was back in Heavensward

[LadyCeles]

PLD will be pushed out the meta again. WAR and DRK will have faster def CDs making them better MTs and have higher DPS making them better OTs too. PLDs utility is nice but dps is the meta and PLD utility lowers there DPS further

[BluexBird]

PLD will be pushed out the meta again.

Out the meta? What is this "meta" you are speaking of? Let me take a guess:

"Oh, one class does 3200 DPS, but this one does 3100. So, therefore, uh, uhm... ehhh... yeah, the one that does 3100 DPS is UNPLAYABLE! And so, I will never accept them into any of my parties".

If that is the meta you follow, then I feel extremely sorry for you and all the others who think that way. Seriously, get a grip on yourselves. -_-

Now currently, before nerfs, that is the situation we have. Paladins are doing a couple of hundred DPS over Warriors. However, all Warriors can do in a party is deal damage. If Warriors had the kind of utility that Paladins have, they wouldn't be complaining about the fact that they aren't the #1 DPS. But they have nothing else going for them. Paladins, on the other hand, can do a whole lot of things apart from just dealing damage. And still they complain about the prospect of losing a spot that never had in sense in being theirs.

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

PLD utility lowers there DPS further

PLD loses nothing for their utility. Neither Intervention/DV/Cov affect their DPS in any way. You may have an argument for PoA, but that depends how long it needs to be channeled.

[aleph_null]

If you look at 70% the statistics would be heavily affected by pug groups who are still stuck in pld MT war OT mentality, if you tell pld to pull the boss, take 3 assails in first phase, and no tank swaps to share mitigation burden, and possibly no shadewalker/shirk, of course the war OT would do higher. However looking at top 10 dps is also not a good idea since there are a lot of padded parses. I wouldn't take the 3.6k dps parse with over 7 min clear time seriously. I'd rather check the top 10-20 groups in static speed ranking and see how much their tanks do. Pld is definitely doing higher than war/drk in those optimized runs, but nowhere near 300-400 more dps.

Let me hand you wikipedia:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Percentile

"For example, if a score is at the 86th percentile, where 86 is the percentile rank, it is equal to the value below which 86% of the observations may be found (carefully contrast with in the 86th percentile, which means the score is at or below the value of which 86% of the observations may be found - every score is in the 100th percentile)."

Do you even read lol?

[LadyCeles]

u dont need yo feel sorry for anyone. Get off ur high horse. Ill be fine i wont be pushed outof my raid group but u know as much as me the community only cares about DPS. So newer plds wanting to get into groups will have a harder time. Doesnt mean they wont get into a group. People putting together new groups will want top 2 dps more often then not. And when DRK and WAR have faster and more big def CDs make them better for MT and will have more dps to OT. Thats what i said. Ive always said PLD should have lowest dps but NOT by a large margin. We might have more utility but it doesnt add to DPS. Personally i dont care about what classes r in raid as long as we dont penalize the LB, i wont turn away a good player for a mediocre player just because there class