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  1. #91
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    Rubiss's Avatar
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    Rubiss Tantegel
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    Cactuar
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    Scholar Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Kit-Kat View Post
    You're completely lost in how classes work in FF. Specially in XIV, the only reason SMN has access to Physick and raise is because it shares a base class with a healer, SE's awkward double job design that never happened again and they don't even know how to split at this point. Simply put, if SMN and SCH didn't share the same base class, SMN wouldn't even have raise. The only reasonable complaint about all of this is the removal of Sustain, which SE should bring it back. Yoshi's reasoning to it was because players are suposed to move pets behind targets so they don't get damaged, but Yoshi doesn't seem to know the difference between cleaves and aoes, specially when pet is busy on an attack and won't move in time. You're trying to get your SMN pet regen back by nerfing a different job that is suposed to use both white and black magic, where's the logic in that lol. Another point is, as mentioned in another post, RDM is a dps. Anything they do outside of dpsing is a dps loss, even more if it hurts your MP with raises. They wanted to make the players feel like RDM was a hybrid like in every past FF titles in a trinity game, giving the player useless white magic that they're never suposed to use. I could dare to say if they wanted to remove Vercure and Verraise, we wouldn't care less, we're DPS. Only those who want the RDM feel of jack of all trades in past titles would care about this for lore purposes.
    They could have very easily moved Raise to SCH. In fact, SCH has a free level 40 job quest for that skill right now. They chose to keep Raise on SMN. They have the ability to add job traits. There is no real logical sense behind Physick doing worse on SMN than SCH beyond segregating roles. Like I said many times. Either buff SMN's ability to heal their pet or nerf RDM. One of the two.
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  2. #92
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    FallenArisen0990's Avatar
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    Anarista Tarnyang
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    Behemoth
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    Ninja Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Rubiss View Post
    They could have very easily moved Raise to SCH. In fact, SCH has a free level 40 job quest for that skill right now. They chose to keep Raise on SMN. They have the ability to add job traits. There is no real logical sense behind Physick doing worse on SMN than SCH beyond segregating roles. Like I said many times. Either buff SMN's ability to heal their pet or nerf RDM. One of the two.
    How does nerfing a Job help SMN? You're asking for a rebalance that only affects not only SMN, but SCH and ACN as well. ACN is the only Class besides Conjurer that can Heal and Raise. All you're doing is showing how very unhappy you are (Or trolling cuz I can't tell anymore) and want to see another Job suffer because you didn't get your piece of candy.
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  3. #93
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    Kit-Kat's Avatar
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    Ayleen Estheim
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    Siren
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    Red Mage Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Rubiss View Post
    They could have very easily moved Raise to SCH. In fact, SCH has a free level 40 job quest for that skill right now. They chose to keep Raise on SMN. They have the ability to add job traits. There is no real logical sense behind Physick doing worse on SMN than SCH beyond segregating roles. Like I said many times. Either buff SMN's ability to heal their pet or nerf RDM. One of the two.
    You know there's content below lv40 that you get synced aswell, right? healers have raises as base class ability at low level. Like I said, it's the awkward dual job system SE tried to do with arcanist, giving SMN some side traits from SCH's base as a result. You're asking for those 'traits' to be buffed when in fact, it shouldn't even be part of your kit, should be grateful enough SMN can use raise. And you keep insisting on Phyick doing worse, because it's a heal, an ability aimed for the healer part of the class, SCH, and SCH scales with mind. If SCH scaled with int, SMN would then have a normal heal Physick, but again, it's not intended for the SMN to use it. If what you need is hp management for SMN pet, sustain is what it is. Ask for Sustain to be brought back, not to nerf or buff other jobs/aspects, because it makes no sense.
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  4. #94
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    DevilsDontFly's Avatar
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    Iroira Sinzha
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    Coeurl
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    Dancer Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Rubiss View Post
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    And how does nerfing Vercure helps the SMN in any kind of way? This is the same as saying "You either remove PLD from being able to cast Clemency or buff SMN".
    SMN not having Sustain has nothing to do with the existence (or lack) of a RDM.
    To me it just looks like you're not satisfied with your job's current state but instead of asking for changes to help you, you're chasing after what you want from other jobs and asking SE to take it away from them. lol

    Even IF you had the ability to cast Physick at a 350 potency that scales with INT, spaming it 4 or 5 times just to heal your pet would be very counter productive to your own dps, instead of just swiftcasting your summon again. What you need (and want) for your Summoner is 100% not related to the existence of what the Red Mage can or cannot to.
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  5. #95
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    Sylvana Tenebri
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    Malboro
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    Marauder Lv 79
    RDM needs a dps nerf. Reduce the personal effect of Embolden to a decaying 5% base, and tweak damage potencies on spells by 50-60 and you'll approach balance. Buff BLM/SMN dps and Devotion as well.
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  6. #96
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    Iroira Sinzha
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    Dancer Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Thunda_Cat_SMASH View Post
    RDM needs a dps nerf. Reduce the personal effect of Embolden to a decaying 5% base, and tweak damage potencies on spells by 50-60 and you'll approach balance. Buff BLM/SMN dps and Devotion as well.
    Seems like BLM is getting some tweaks this next patch, and Foul not costing mana anymore might help with the amount of Fire IV they'll be able to cast on the regular rotation, but correct me if I am wrong as I'm no BLM expert. Currently RDM is only a bit higher than BLM on DPS under perfect conditions. I personally don't think RDM should be nerfed, I think other DPS should be buffed. RDM and SAM were designed with Stormblood in mind while the other jobs were added to it with previous "balance" background from prior installments. It's only fair that those jobs that are under performing to get buffed, but the ones that seem to be "overperforming" should be left as they are until the other DPS get tuned up to reach balance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunda_Cat_SMASH View Post
    RDM needs a dps nerf. Reduce the personal effect of Embolden to a decaying 5% base, and tweak damage potencies on spells by 50-60 and you'll approach balance. Buff BLM/SMN dps and Devotion as well.
    Then they will below casters by a pretty big margine, Not going to work, Which is why they are not touching them right now.

    BLM is getting buffs and i think they should be the top casters, but RDM does not need potency nerfs.
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  8. #98
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    Moonfrost Hailstorm
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    Zalera
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    Dancer Lv 100
    please stop asking to have RDM nerfed so you can feel better about your broken SMN. this makes very little sense. ask them to fix SMN instead
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  9. #99
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    Ootarion Astrofengia
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    Cactuar
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    Astrologian Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Thunda_Cat_SMASH View Post
    RDM needs a dps nerf. Reduce the personal effect of Embolden to a decaying 5% base, and tweak damage potencies on spells by 50-60 and you'll approach balance. Buff BLM/SMN dps and Devotion as well.
    Your idea of balance is to nerf RDM and then buff BLM and SMN when you can just buff BLM and SMN and not have to take something from RDM to do so?
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  10. #100
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    Elfidan Gadfor
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    Ultros
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    Reaper Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Sylvina View Post
    and SMN wouldn't need that heal to be strong (wouldn't need to have it at all since its so worthless without the proper scaling) if we got sustain back.
    Summoner does need sustain back. That was a silly change given how suicidal the pet can be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Commander_Justitia View Post
    Buff Blackmage
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    If there was a downvote button I'd be pressing it.

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