Refusal to LB3

[KuroTenshi]

LB3 in crazy gear right now totals about 3% of a boss's hp. I find it better to just ignore it just in case the healer can make use of it, because it is much harder to obtain a full team res with a good healer than it is to obtain 3% damage with good dps.

[TheRedMage]

I hesitate to use LB3 when it pops, because whenever I do people get a hissy fit. Doesn't matter if we clear the content with 0 death, people still complain like crazy

[Alisi]

I hesitate to use LB3 when it pops, because whenever I do people get a hissy fit. Doesn't matter if we clear the content with 0 death, people still complain like crazy

That's really sad. I dunno why people rag those who use LB3. It is nice for healer LB but it's not as though the group didn't fail on their own. And no one would use it if it seemed like the group might need it, plus things had to have been going well enough to allow the person to use it. But I'm a hardcore healer and everything is our fault. I'm very good at rationalizing and deflecting. xD

[HyoMinPark]

I come to you all with a question: why do melee DPS refuse to do LB3 lately?

I've never had an issue with DPS and LB. You ask and they do it. Now it's like twisting an arm. I've had melee DPS out and out refuse to use LB3 in, say, Susa Ex. Literally saying no in the party chat when you ask them. You think I kid? I do not.

I'm trying to understand what the issue here is. It's multiple people, in multiple runs, and I don't have any melee DPS to 70. I've a SMN and the rest are healers. No one ever asks a SMN to LB3 and I can count on one hand the times I've used LB2 so I thought perhaps there is an issue with casting LB3 that I don't know of?

Does it hurt your DPS to cast LB3? Does it give you a debuff or something? Is it a huge burden to ask someone to use it? What's going on here? Why are people refusing to use it?

It really depends. If the party has had a lot of deaths before the LB3 even builds up, they may silently decide to hold the LB3 until a certain percentage in the event a healer LB is needed. This is also the case if a group wipes several times due to people using the LB3 too early, which, in Susano Ex's case at least, can happen if the party is not that great. Typically, I only mention saving the LB for healer LB if there have been 2-3 wipes prior where melee used the LB3 at, say, 30%, and then we wiped soon after each time. If the party is good to where there are no deaths and there's no need for a healer LB, then the melee should be using LB3, followed by casters, followed by ranged (BRD/MCH).

Some fights, people wait for a certain time to use the LB, since it does lock the caster in place. For Susano, I know that, as a healer, I wish the melee would wait and LB after the Rasen Kaikyo's appear, because a lot of the time, they LB right as the second set of rock gaols appear, and Rasen's appear shortly thereafter, and they die either mid-cast, or right as it finishes. There are also times where a melee decides to LB, and they get marked with one of the purple Levin markers. And since they're locked in place, they end up electrocuting the entire party, which requires unnecessary AOE healing. So it could be that melee are waiting until mechanic-heavy phases pass to use the LB3.

There is also the possibility some players are waiting for another melee to LB. Or that they simply are tunnel-visioning too hard to even realize there is an LB3.

And then, there's the melee that want to wait until that last 1%, because some people think that using the LB3 at 1% to kill off the boss is some sort of DPS gain when, usually, waiting that late is just a waste of LB damage.

[gumas]

In tough fight lb3 usually saved for healer and to certain situation, tank. Dps probably the least lb3 user in big fight like omega or (currently) susano extreme because how easy things went from "everything is fine" to fubar in less than 20 seconds.

i see some dps didnt use lb usually because they are still in the middle of their rotation something like "on fire" moment. And then certain class is more akin to use lb3 like bard who generally has very minimal rotation, or someone who broke their chain combo.

[kyrios91]

Also the problem with Melee LB3 nowadays is because all melees have a tight rotation and stacks / timers to keep up (BOTD and GL3 for example) so using LB3 would mean losing it. That's why LB3 duty is on NIN and SAM now lol.

[melkier33]

Just want to chime in, yeah if your screaming for lb3 chances are your good dps realized you really need dps to finish the fight so they are planning it around CDs, aoes, mechanics, and rotation. Asking for lb3 multiple times also puts pressure on them to do it. Some people need to chill with the multiple lb3 calls. A perfectly placed lb when you actually need dps can take a bit of time sometimes, having people repeatedly tell you to do it, or have a ranged/caster do it a split second before you because they think you won't is pretty frustrating.

[Dzian]

Recently lb3 also seems weak as hell.

Barely dents bosses hp bars

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

Does it hurt your DPS to cast LB3? Does it give you a debuff or something? Is it a huge burden to ask someone to use it? What's going on here? Why are people refusing to use it?

LB3 locks you in place for roughly ten seconds: 4 to cast, 4 for the animation, and 2 afterwards that don't really let you move or attack. So if it's used at the wrong time, the caster will die and the Lb will whiff. Also, MNKs should NEVER LB3. Doing it almost guarantees they'll lose GL3. From what I remember, LB3 priority goes SAM-NIN-DRG-MNK as far as melee goes.

You need it on Susa Ex. As a healer, I don't even bother with LB3.

Your DPS are just bad in that case. I've cleared Susex without using a DPS LB3, but I have seen a healer LB3 swing our momentum around to a clear from flubbed mechanics.

Melee dps LB3 is just a luxury when you have semi competent DPS.

[Khalithar]

Depends on the fight and generally how the community as a whole was doing. Just to clarify as an example, I would actively tell dps not to LB during fights like Scathach and Hollow Diabolos because of how easily things could go wrong at the end.

Whereas on a fight like lahkshmi ex you may as well just dps LB her because, lets be honest here, if you actually need the healer LB3 to beat lahkshmi ex? I don't even know what to say to that.