Don't nerf cast time on Holy Spirit, nerf the potency

[kattzkitti]

Hi Squeenix, healer main who subs tank here. Please don't gimp my Oath Gauge stimulant, I kind of like the ability to generate Oath Gauge while in Shield Oath.

Instead, nerf the obscenely overtuned 430 potency the button has. There is no legitimate reason for the button having a potency value that high.

Also, while you're here, please consider removing both Requiscat and Spirits Within.

Requiscat is clearly a button that was created for the sake of a button. You could have just tossed its effect on Spirits Within, but even then it would still be a pointless button that was added for the sake of it... not to mention the balance issues it is causing (ref: Holy Spirit dealing too much damage).

Spirits Within is just button bloat for the sake of button bloat. There's no reason to have this button anymore. It had a purpose back when it had the Silence (as niche as that was), but that purpose is now gone and the button is just a 300 potency nuke off the global cooldown... which is not a valid reason to bloat our hotbars.

Edit after patch notes for 4.05:

>Holy Spirit potency reduced from 430 to 400

Thank you Squeenix, thank you so much for meeting my request. Even if it had nothing to do with my thread, you handled the nerf the way I hoped for and I am grateful for that.

[Synestra]

Also, while you're here, please consider removing both Requiscat and Spirits Within.

How about no? if anything we need more oGCD skills as those makes jobs feels faster and more fun.

[Harz]

You realize that cast time and gcd are two very different things, right?

Currently you can cast Holy Spirit, move around a bit and cast again without wasting any Requiescat uptime. Weaving in Circle of Scorn and Spirits Within between casts is really easy as well. That's what's going to be nerfed, not the number of casts per Req window.

[KalinOrthos]

See Harz' response. As it stands now, that little 1 second delay between casts give you a lot of opportunity to weave other abilities in or just move and reposition. I think it's warranted.

Also, while you're here, please consider removing both Requiscat and Spirits Within.

Pffffft, no.

[Coatl]

It's actually a bigger nerf than people realize. Not having having any oGCD time means you have no window to auto attack, and PLD's auto-attacks are very very strong.

[Galactimus]

That's not really the downside. It's the OGCD's that are the biggest hit. Holy Spirit rotation restores 100 Oath Gauge in Shield Oath. While casting Holy Spirit x5 you could Shelton and Rampart a Tankbuster, Reprisal a Party Buster, and Intervention a targeted person, all before Requiescat ran out. The free Oath Gauge put to good use. Now you have to chose between maxed DPS Holy or cooldown usage. Many more Holy's will be interrupted while dodging mechanics now as well.

Auto attacks are an afterthought.

[AziraSyuren]

I think it's a bit weird that PLD's "caster phase" is far more forgiving than any actual caster (aside from RDM). As long as it's equal or close to the standard GCD then it's fine, imo.

If it's over, it's just WAR all over again where they sacrifice fluidity for the sake of "balance."

[Teentitanbg]

Instead, nerf the obscenely overtuned 430 potency the button has. There is no legitimate reason for the button having a potency value that high.

Also, while you're here, please consider removing both Requiscat and Spirits Within.

Hahaha what.. Disagree!

[Brannigan]

It's actually a bigger nerf than people realize. Not having having any oGCD time means you have no window to auto attack, and PLD's auto-attacks are very very strong.

I'm more concerned about movement during mechanics tbh. Half of my requiescat phases right now happen when I need to move the boss or dodge a targeted AOE or do something on the battlefield. Oh, or block something. I think they'll probably leave the cast time alone and drop the potency to 400 because if paladin can't consistently use holy spirits in every fight it makes their DPS much harder to balance. 400 potency would be like spamming slashing-debuffed Royal Authority.

Still, I wish they would have nerfed the physical side instead. Holy Spirit is fun and it feels rad when you get a Ewer card or something.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

This very thing was just brought up on Mogtalk. Apparently, it is the potency that will be reduced because it was never intended to be that high. The devs forgot to bring it down when they increased the cast time.