SCH & AST MP management issue suggestions

[gumas]

In a fight that i know my mp will going down fast (susano ex for example), i have several way to maintain my mp as ast.
- always keep mp card on spread, use it when your mp drop to near 1/2, even better with Potency or duration royal road
- lucid dreaming obviously
- lightspeed, if you think you want to use it, do it. Ast lvl 68 trait give us more leeway on using lightspeed
- largesse can act as mp buffer of sort since bigger heal mean less casting mean less mp
- try not to spam aspected benefic/helios, this spell is one of the reason why ast mp going down so fast now
- dont spam combat spell, dot spell like combust is fine but not malefic and obviously gravity, in a fight where everyone can go from full hp to 1/4 hp in seconds, dont risk it. Remember you are healer.
- i know this sound awful but if 1 dps die, dont just rush swiftcast + res immediately, make sure your mp is enough and everyone else is top off first.

[Rivxkobe]

ffs, we're not saying that other classes don't have things to be reworked. We're not saying to prioritize our needs above those of White Mage or Scholar, get off the Halite (google it) train and allow others to have a voice.

Hahahaha.

Damn you mad af.

Chill out and maybe try to act civil.

For one, please don't start a post with "ffs" it just makes me not take you seriously. And don't tell me to google something as if I don't know what you are talking about, it just makes you look like an arrogant ass and just further supports my negative view of fellow ASTs on the forums.

AST DO NOT need help with their MP management. They don't need it at all. I have seen no evidence that they do. Its not an "issue", AST has no issues right now, and is definitely not something that needs to be fixed.

[Maku]

AST has no MP issues even when spamming Gravity. It is literally in a perfect place right now.

[Rayna]

Thank you to everyone who suggested some tips for me. I will say that after I hit 70, things really started to level out for me. For the record, I wasn't saying " CHANGE LUCID DREAMING OR GTFO" I was simply suggesting it while I hadn't quite gotten to full level, and for that I apologize. The fault was my own because I'd gotten comfortable with my level 60 AST, but I dealt with it and got thru it.

To be fair though... I ALSO play whm, and I never said whm was terrible or that whm deserved anything less than sch & ast. I understand they had a ton of mp issues, and I'm glad whm is now better set up. Which is why I only said sch and ast for this post.... bc I knew they fixed the whm issue. I feel like all 3 healers are good in their own way.

[NocturniaUzuki]

AST has the best MP sustain in the game by far if you fish for Ewers and Spears, so there is really no problem there. It's MP sustain is actually so good that it can solo heal AoE-heavy stuff like Delta 4.0 without running out of mana, even when the entire party is eating a ton of avoidable damage on top of it.

SCH, on the other hand... now that class needs to major fixing...

[Kabzy]

SCH, on the other hand... now that class needs to major fixing...

Agreed, but not in MP management. It's nowhere near as good as it used to be but it's also not a hinderance to the job. Both AST/SCH are nowhere near as bad as WHM MP management was in 3.x so it's a simple case of 'git gud'. I genuinely think a lot of SCHs/ASTs are complaining just because they aren't used to that aspect of the job. As someone who played WHM a lot too, I don't have issues keeping MP at a healthy level on both other jobs.

I've had runs where I'm shielding, doing full DPS, ressing the other healer/members and keeping the party going in Susano EX as SCH and am still not completely OOM by the end. It's a simple case of playing efficiently, which I honestly believe was WHMs skill ceiling before.

On the case of WHM, I do think that their MP regen this expansion is a little too strong. But given their past and the fact that they don't excel at much else besides being a potent safety net, I think it's fair to let them keep it.

[matteoxyz]

I had this problem on AST but since melding heaps of Piety materia I am fairly comfortable. I have around 18-19k MP pool now at level 70.

[RichardButte]

AST has the best MP sustain in the game by far if you fish for Ewers and Spears, so there is really no problem there. It's MP sustain is actually so good that it can solo heal AoE-heavy stuff like Delta 4.0 without running out of mana, even when the entire party is eating a ton of avoidable damage on top of it.

It CAN be good, but that hinges entirely on drawing enough Ewers and by no stretch is that guaranteed.

I don't feel comfortable DPSing on AST in situations where I'm not sure of how much avoidable damage the party is going to be taking. If it's a premade group that knows what it's doing, sure, but things can go south VERY quickly in DF if the people start standing in the bad...