SCH & AST MP management issue suggestions

[Novak_04]

You're right. We're crying. Look at our numerous posts about how Astros should be buffed. Count them. Please, count them... I want to know how many people are asking for buffs, right now, on Astros. Let's see if you can see the difference between QoL changes and buffs. Even with QoL changes, there's two big ones that we're asking for, neither of which could be described as a buff. I don't think White Mage is dead now, so I certainly am not going to look down on anyone. The whole point I was trying to make -- which you clearly missed -- was that people have concerns and they're voicing them. Perhaps it's just an issue of not using a particular ability at an opportune moment. For people like you to interject and stifle the voices of those people is incredibly rude and pathetic. This idea of "you're OP, you have no room to talk" is a cop-out argument because you're frustrated that you aren't getting what you want.

[Yuyuka3]

You're right. We're crying. Look at our numerous posts about how Astros should be buffed. Count them. Please, count them... I want to know how many people are asking for buffs, right now, on Astros. Let's see if you can see the difference between QoL changes and buffs. Even with QoL changes, there's two big ones that we're asking for, neither of which could be described as a buff. I don't think White Mage is dead now, so I certainly am not going to look down on anyone. The whole point I was trying to make -- which you clearly missed -- was that people have concerns and they're voicing them. Perhaps it's just an issue of not using a particular ability at an opportune moment. For people like you to interject and stifle the voices of those people is incredibly rude and pathetic. This idea of "you're OP, you have no room to talk" is a cop-out argument because you're frustrated that you aren't getting what you want.

I love AST. It has been my main since it was released and up until 4.0 I NEVER had an issue with maintaining MP, but since 4.0 it has been a major adjustment period. I feel like I am unable to enjoy AST like I used to because I'm constantly staring at my mp bar and praying for a ewer (which btw I hate using on myself).

I feel like I can't DPS as much as I could before because the rate of MP refresh time seems to have been cut in half, and I really hate not being able to DPS as much. Also, using my cards now, I feel like every ewer I pull has to go toward helping me with MP rather than helping me set up other card combos for my parties.

I feel like an easy solution for not only AST's issue, but SCH as well would be to adjust Lucid Dreaming by either lowering the cool down time or raising the potency or duration time.

I miss not having to worry about my mp.

Didn't take me very long to find one. Too lazy and tired to search much further, but if you want another example, this thread not only asks for some QoL adjustments to the job, but also for things like upping the damage on Earthly Star (LOL...) and to the Spear.
Also, nice you are talking about yourself. But I doubt you are the only AST out there.
And yeah, maybe it wasn't really great to do that, and I'm aware I didn't contribute anything meaningful to the conversation. Normally I would have rolled my eyes and walked away. But I'm having a really bad day, the constant whining is getting on my nerves big time, and I honestly don't care about staying civil with people whining about how bad the most op healer has it anymore. I'm also fed up by SCH crying while at the same time telling me I'm fine while feeling like sitting in a sinking boat, with sharks circling around me, whenever I look at what the other healers got and will get (SCH buffs in 4.1).
But, you know. You aren't exactly better with how YOU, too, jump at people's (and I don't even mean myself) throats, and your argumentation, in other threads.

So you're going to treat all ASTs badly for the actions of a few vocal rude people? :/

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I mean OP posted something that they were having trouble with; they wanted help and discussion because they 'thought' there was an issue and many people have offered some tips to help them manage their MP....yet you come in and basically troll an innocent post just because other trolls trolled you :/

No, but I'm sure as hell calling people out for their bs. It also wasn't a few trolls, but half this board plus people outside of it. And OP didn't want help. They wanted a straight up buff without needing a buff, as quoted and marked above. Coupled with 'it's so bad now that we aren't having invinite MP now anymore'.

[Miste]

But I'm having a really bad day, the constant whining is getting on my nerves big time, and I honestly don't care about staying civil with people whining about how bad the most op healer has it anymore.

You probably should take a step back and not post in or visit the forums for awhile then if you don't want to try to be civil and just in a bad mood so you troll others.

You basically are saying "no one else is allowed to have an opinion because this job is OP so I am going to troll/rage at them whenever I see someone post something about that job that I don't want to see"

That is the worst mentality and the forum doesn't need more of that.

OP asked for a buff technically yes...but it was because they were misinformed and have yet to master AST's toolkit. You can't just condemn them because they are less experienced and talked about AST and something they personally were having trouble with and 'thought' due to their PERSONAL experiences that there was an issue.

Many people have corrected OP and laid out some tips to help them manage MP; that should have been most of the post solved. Minus SCH thing...which others have said is more of an issue, but I haven't leveled it yet.

[Novak_04]

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With regards to the quote: Someone who hasn't grasped an MP conservation priority system is calling for an increase to Lucid Dreaming. I will concede that this person is calling for a change, but they're calling for it for the wrong reason. They're clearly not familiar with the tools the Astro already has to regain mana. For the purpose of not arguing, we can call this buff. For all intents and purposes, it is -- however, I read this as more of a cry for help on their MP situation. That's common, but yeah, you found one.

With regards to the link: The OP was asking for mostly QoL changes to Earthly Star and Undraw. S/he EVEN mentioned nerfing Balance. A rework on Spear is something we've been asking for forever...the fact that we're asking for it now changes nothing. It's a standing issue that we'll never see changed. Not sure where you're seeing the damage to Earthly Star. I know there was a post where someone was asking if the damage was nerfed. I may not have read down far enough.

Sure, the posts exist. I never said they wouldn't. I said to count them. You make it sound like people are littering the forums begging for a class overhaul. Most of the people who are "asking" for things are doing so because they're not entirely educated on how their own mechanics work. The following they get is usually people of like-mind. If you continue to read, there's typically someone who mains an Astro that is correcting them, or advising as necessary.

How have I jumped at people's throats? I chime in to defend Astros or people voicing their opinions on Astros. In case you haven't noticed, if someone breathes a word about Astrologians on the forums, and it's not prefaced with -- or followed by -- nerf, they get lit up like a Christmas tree.

I'm sorry you're having a rough day -- truly I am. This is a game and it's meant to be fun. You say the constant whining is getting on your nerves. My response to that is: who's whining? Someone has an issue with Astrologian, so they consult the forums...then people like you ignite them with rude, degrading comments about how OP Astro is. You -- specifically -- are generally one of the first few people to spew poison on a post about Astrologians. You're tired of Scholars crying? They have more right to cry than White Mages. Of all the healing classes, their voices should be heard above all else. And it was, hence the upcoming changes. I'm curious at this point, what is it YOU want for White Mages? What would make you happy with your own class? Everyone on the forums already knows what you want from the other classes, but you've offered little-to-no constructive criticism for the White Mage.

[IanFrench]

Yeah they raise mp cost for Aspected Benefic, almost doubled so we cannot spam it like before. Use more Benefic and guaranteed critical benefic II will help you ease the burden a lot.
Now I only use aspected benefic on main tank in most cases, to use them on dps is only happening in life matters situation.

[Novak_04]

Use more Benefic and guaranteed critical benefic II will help you ease the burden a lot.
Now I only use aspected benefic on main tank in most cases, to use them on dps is only happening in life matters situation.

This.

Also, I'll use A. Benefict if I'm on the move and need to mitigate mid-stride. Otherwise, I don't use it that often. In dungeons, specifically, I'll use Celestial Opposition while having Lucid Dreaming up -- especially if I know I'm about to spam heal someone (or a group of someones). Benefic I and Benefic II are my staple heals. I hardly ever leave Noct. Sect either -- I raid with a White Mage, so I'm familiar with what my Astro is capable of in Nocturnal Sect. I'd recommend staying Nocturnal Sect for most situations. You have stronger single target heals while being able to use shields when necessary. Don't be afraid to use the Ewer on yourself either. That's what it's there for...

[Yuyuka3]

I admit I misread that second threat; it wasn't the OP, but the person below mentioning damage buff to Earthly Star. However, it doesn't really make much difference to me who asks. It was still an ask for a straight out buff.

ffs, we're not saying that other classes don't have things to be reworked. We're not saying to prioritize our needs above those of White Mage or Scholar, get off the Halite (google it) train and allow others to have a voice.

This is a pretty rude way to tell someone to shut up. A person who just said they can't understand how someone can have MP issues on AST, and plays the class themselves. Also, a simple forum search would be enough most of the time to get advice, no need to make a new topic that focuses on demanding buffs where buffs aren't due.


I also mentioned in a different thread that SCH is already considered meta in practically any Discord discussion, for example, I read about this topic. Not a single mention of WHM in that regard. Mind telling me how they have more of a right to complain than WHM, who, if previous raid tiers are any indication, steers toward a rough time again, especially in the light of incomming SCH buffs? And btw, I asked someone searching for a SCH for their static earlier if they would take a WHM, too. I got declined. Make of that what you want.

Also... I never made any suggestions or mentions about what I want for my job? What? Go look in the 'Consolidated WHM feedback thread', please. I said in there what I would like for the class multiple times, discussed opinions and suggestions others had, etc. I mentioned agreement about what I think they should change about the Lily system in the 'Healer adjustments'-thread just today. If you can't find my opinion about what WHM needs, you aren't looking out much for it.

[Novak_04]

Also... I never made any suggestions or mentions about what I want for my job? What? Go look in the 'Consolidated WHM feedback thread', please. I said in there what I would like for the class multiple times, discussed opinions and suggestions others had, etc. I mentioned agreement about what I think they should change about the Lily system in the 'Healer adjustments'-thread just today. If you can't find my opinion about what WHM needs, you aren't looking out much for it.

I guess that's because whenever our paths cross, it's typically on threads about Astros (with one exception). It's like you go onto the thread with the intent of toxicity. You're right, I haven't gone on to the Consolidated WHM thread, because I don't play a White Mage as a main. I have no feedback to offer that would benefit their job. So rather than going onto their threads and leak venom, I stay within my domain -- a place where I can offer valuable input. [though sadly, all I've managed to do today is argue with you across various forum threads]

How was that a rude way to tell someone to shut up? I didn't even TELL you to shut up. I told you to allow someone else to have a voice. I told you that they should be allow to voice their concerns as well. Your response to their post was anything but cordial, so let's not pretend it was.

Side note: Halite is Salt. I was telling you to get off the salt train... in other words, stop being salty about Astros on a thread where someone is seeking advice.

With regards to Scholar being meta: I don't peruse the Discords because defending Astros on one forum is taxing enough. I have never -- not one time -- on my server seen a Scholar prioritized over a White Mage. The preferred healing group I keep hearing about is White Mage and Astrologian. With only two healing spots available in raids, one of the three has to get left out. So terribly sorry that Scholar is preferred over White Mages in your areas of travel, but it's something I can not validate, because it's something I have never seen.

[Yuyuka3]

I guess that's because whenever our paths cross, it's typically on threads about Astros (with one exception). It's like you go onto the thread with the intent of toxicity. You're right, I haven't gone on to the Consolidated WHM thread, because I don't play a White Mage as a main. I have no feedback to offer that would benefit their job. So rather than going onto their threads and leak venom, I stay within my domain -- a place where I can offer valuable input. [though sadly, all I've managed to do today is argue with you across various forum threads]

How was that a rude way to tell someone to shut up? I didn't even TELL you to shut up. I told you to allow someone else to have a voice. I told you that they should be allow to voice their concerns as well. Your response to their post was anything but cordial, so let's not pretend it was.

Side note: Halite is Salt. I was telling you to get off the salt train... in other words, stop being salty about Astros on a thread where someone is seeking advice.

With regards to Scholar being meta: I don't peruse the Discords because defending Astros on one forum is taxing enough. I have never -- not one time -- on my server seen a Scholar prioritized over a White Mage. The preferred healing group I keep hearing about is White Mage and Astrologian. With only two healing spots available in raids, one of the three has to get left out. So terribly sorry that Scholar is preferred over White Mages in your areas of travel, but it's something I can not validate, because it's something I have never seen.

I've literally never seen you before today... and you act as if I posted here for the first time today, too. Also, do you really feel a need to white knight every AST here? Would think people can fend for themselves. I'm not even the only one who you went up against, so your claim is false.

And yes, starting with ffs (common short from for 'for fu**s sake) IS quite rude toward someone who only said they can't understand why so many struggle with MP. Also, that quote wasn't directed toward me. Sadly, quotes in quoted posts don't get shown on this forum, but what you wrote was directed toward this post:

Astro MP isn't even that bad. When I heal I use AST and all I can do is shake my head at all these AST who complain or ask for "fixes" all the time. It just seems like they want AST to be the only healer in the game.

Which, as you can see, is not me. You also don't have to tell me what halite, chemical formula NaCl, commony known as table or rock salt is. I'm a geologist irl, that's right in my ball park. I didn't even ASK what you mean, so why did you feel the need to explain?

And all you hear is AST/WHM? Your server must be paradise, because it's sure as hell not the case over here, nor is it on the dedicated raiding Discord.

[Draxis_Fallspear]

I'm not the best AST, but I see our DPS capabilities very much as a nice to have. So I treat it that way when managing MP. I'll stop dps ing around half mana and concentrate on healing and maybe tossing DOTs here and there or throwing cards.

Unlike Holy, Gravity does nothing for mitigation. And based on what seems to be the concensus, our dps is lower than other healers because of our buffs. There's no point in going all out to the point of OoM.