SCH & AST MP management issue suggestions

[Miste]

It was ASTs, among others, who told WHM to git gud with MP. It was ASTs who cried and cried and cried until they were overbuffed, even though it was blattantly clear they are already very strong, and continue to cry for more improvements until today despite being so op it's not even funny anymore. It was also ASTs who looked down on WHM telling us we got what we deserved for being objectively better than them in early 3.0 after said overbuffing happened, or rather, even before that point. It was ASTs who told me to switch jobs in 3.x because 'WHM is dead'. So sorry we got enough of your whining for even MORE buffs on a class everyone, even sensible ASTs, agree is disgustingly overbuffed, while STILL being told by many to stfu ourselves. Except that sorry, most definitely NOT sorry.

So you're going to treat all ASTs badly for the actions of a few vocal rude people? :/

Seems a bit too far with the eye for eye thing...

You are letting trolls win since you are actively trolling others since you were trolled. All those things you mention in this post....those people trolled you and they would always troll you if they get the opportunity even if they never even leveled AST because that is what trolls do. The job they are or say they are is irrelevant.

I mean...this is pure prejudice. You are treating all AST's like they were the ones who trolled you when that is far from the truth.

Just because some AST's maybe went into WHM threads and trolled you doesn't mean you should do it back...supposed to rise above that sort of behavior, but since some people cannot ignore it we just end up spreading the hate around and trying to get back at innocent people for what a troll did to us.

I mean OP posted something that they were having trouble with; they wanted help and discussion because they 'thought' there was an issue and many people have offered some tips to help them manage their MP....yet you come in and basically troll an innocent post just because other trolls trolled you :/

[Liquid_Amnesia]

I'm going to agree with those that said Lucid + Opposition is enough to get you by (bonus if you have an extended/enhanced Ewer on yourself). I'm curious as to what content you're healing as well. I'll admit that from 60-70, it was tough. I was consistently having mp problems until I broke from my HW mentality of tossing Essential Dignity on the tank every CD cycle and then dpsing for 90% of the fight. Once you're properly geared, most of your mp problems should subside considering how much Piety is loaded onto the 310/320 gear.

I've healed Delta 4.0 and the two Ex Primals without issue as long as the DPS isn't taking unnecessary dmg. Ask your ranged DPS to slot Refresh or Mana Shift if you need the help, though I usually prefer they save it if I get myself killed and need a post-rez boost. I always seem to die mere seconds after using Lucid. -_-

[Sodamachine]

Hmm, I have yet to have a single MP issue in SB?
Sure, Adlo is more expensive, and fairy heals a bit less, and mana managedment moved around, but I can heal all out and DPS, and I am not even close to mana problems as a SCH.
What do other people do that I dont?
If I spam Adlo and Succer as every other spell, I will probably have mana problem.

[RyuDragnier]

Hmm, I have yet to have a single MP issue in SB?
Sure, Adlo is more expensive, and fairy heals a bit less, and mana managedment moved around, but I can heal all out and DPS, and I am not even close to mana problems as a SCH.
What do other people do that I dont?
If I spam Adlo and Succer as every other spell, I will probably have mana problem.

TBH the only time the MP problems really pop up on SCH is when you're doing the raids. Outside of them, it doesn't ever really pop up.

[Miste]

I feel like I can't DPS as much as I could before because the rate of MP refresh time seems to have been cut in half, and I really hate not being able to DPS as much. Also, using my cards now, I feel like every ewer I pull has to go toward helping me with MP rather than helping me set up other card combos for my parties.

It will always feel like that at the beginning of an expansion. We are at our lowest capability at the moment.

As item level goes up as the expansion goes further we will get higher piety numbers on gear, but our MP costs will stay the same.

I have no current issues managing MP on AST. As others have said there is many things AST can do to remedy low MP and while some of it is RNG...some of it is just getting used to the tools you have available. (Ewer + Lucid Dreaming + Celestial Opposition; using Collective Unconscious to heal people up since it costs no MP; Earthly Star also no MP; Lady of Crowns no MP; Lightspeed reduces MP cost and can also be Celestial Oppositioned; using Spear to lower your recast of Lucid Dreaming)

Running out of MP is also a situational problem depending on the group you get. If you have a group failing mechanics or tanks not using cooldowns MP management issues is a side effect of other players in your group not playing correctly and not due to AST's MP management being improperly balanced.

As for SCH I haven't leveled it yet so no comment.

[NewSinz]

SCH has MP issues? Im not understanding it at all. I can DPS/Heal Primal EX and not have any issues on SCH.

[Rivxkobe]

Astro MP isn't even that bad. When I heal I use AST and all I can do is shake my head at all these AST who complain or ask for "fixes" all the time. It just seems like they want AST to be the only healer in the game.

[Novak_04]

Astro MP isn't even that bad. When I heal I use AST and all I can do is shake my head at all these AST who complain or ask for "fixes" all the time. It just seems like they want AST to be the only healer in the game.

ffs, we're not saying that other classes don't have things to be reworked. We're not saying to prioritize our needs above those of White Mage or Scholar, get off the Halite (google it) train and allow others to have a voice.

[Rivxkobe]

ffs, we're not saying that other classes don't have things to be reworked. We're not saying to prioritize our needs above those of White Mage or Scholar, get off the Halite (google it) train and allow others to have a voice.

Hahahaha.

Damn you mad af.

Chill out and maybe try to act civil.

For one, please don't start a post with "ffs" it just makes me not take you seriously. And don't tell me to google something as if I don't know what you are talking about, it just makes you look like an arrogant ass and just further supports my negative view of fellow ASTs on the forums.

AST DO NOT need help with their MP management. They don't need it at all. I have seen no evidence that they do. Its not an "issue", AST has no issues right now, and is definitely not something that needs to be fixed.

[Judge_Xero]

@OP what level are you at on AST?

I found that with the MP inflation on spells leveling to 70 that MP management seemed more difficult until you get enough piety for 17-18k MP then it returns to normal.