RDM and Diversion/AoE

[Khaidal]

I'd like to pick the brains of all you RDMs out there!

Lately when in dungeons, I've noticed RDMs take hate easily yet so few will use Diversion/Lucid Dreaming. Is there a reason for this? I'm almost at the point to where I groan when I see one because I know mobs are going to be bouncing all over.

Secondly, there can be 4+ mobs on the screen, yet so many single target. Is RDM aoe that bad? Is single targeting better even when there's about a dozen mobs onscreen?

Normally I'd think it's one or two people's playstyles, but I've seen a LOT of RDMs play this way.

Edit: Forgot to mention Lucid Dreaming as well.

[MomoOG]

Most dps wont admit it but secretly they like pulling mob agro as a sign of "look how badass my dsp is".

[Rhyn]

If they never use it, it's because simply that they are bad. They literally don't know what they are doing (or don't care). Keep in mind it has a cooldown and won't necessarily be up for every pack. But as I see it there is no reason to not have Diversion and Lucid Dreaming as a caster.

[RaizeGraymalkin]

If they never use it, it's because simply that they are bad. They literally don't know what they are doing (or don't care). Keep in mind it has a cooldown and won't necessarily be up for every pack. But as I see it there is no reason to not have Diversion and Lucid Dreaming as a caster.

Or the Tank can stop worrying about "muh deeps" and stay in Tank stance. Then you won't lose hate. Anytime I rip hate on SAM/RDM it's because the Tank is generally too busy dps'ing and forgetting they are, in fact, a tank.

[Rhyn]

Or the Tank can stop worrying about "muh deeps" and stay in Tank stance. Then you won't lose hate. Anytime I rip hate on SAM/RDM it's because the Tank is generally too busy dps'ing and forgetting they are, in fact, a tank.

Maybe you should stop talking about "doing your job" when your job includes tools to increase overall group dps that you choose not to use. Yes I'm talking about diversion. If all the dps use diversion and mitigate as much aggro gain as possible, the tank can do more damage while still holding aggro, increasing overall group dps and improving clear times. Suggesting that tanks should always be in tank stance and just hold aggro is the biggest scrub advice ever, an untrained monkey can hold aggro in ffxiv.

[RaizeGraymalkin]

Maybe you should stop talking about "doing your job" when your job includes tools to increase overall group dps that you choose not to use. Yes I'm talking about diversion. If all the dps use diversion and mitigate as much aggro gain as possible, the tank can do more damage while still holding aggro, increasing overall group dps and improving clear times. Suggesting that tanks should always be in tank stance and just hold aggro is the biggest scrub advice ever, an untrained monkey can hold aggro in ffxiv.

Seeing as how many tanks bitched about aggro before they buffed emnity I'm gonna say no, but please continue to be a sterling example of this wonderful online community.

[Rawrz]

If 4+ Mobs you should spam scatter and then moulinet when appropriate.

At 3 mobs hit the rdm sweet spot. Scatter then instant aero/thunder to build mana gauge. Alternate between all 3 targets with your single target attack.

Why not use diversion? Well, usually Lucid Dreaming is enough. Our Aoe isn't that great. Diversion I carry most of the time, but find it a little unneeded in aoe pulls, since I'm going to pop lucid anyways. 100% Need it for bosses though if you give rdms a countdown lol

[HiroKirito]

Imo there no reason why you shouldn't have both diversion and lucid as a rdm to control your enmity. 1 of 2 things is happening.

1. Either they just have an empty void where their brain should be.

2. (I like to think the accounts for most) during dungeons rdm built alot of guage and come boss time they are often ready to open with thier melee burst... if diversion is not off cool down for the pull then you probably aren't getting agro back unless they die. Nobody wants that, so I imagine they are sitting on diversion for that. Not saying that's the correct way to play but I imagine it's the thought process behind not diversioning on trash mobs.

[Rongway]

Lately when in dungeons, I've noticed RDMs take hate easily yet so few will use Diversion/Lucid Dreaming. Is there a reason for this? I'm almost at the point to where I groan when I see one because I know mobs are going to be bouncing all over.

(The following numbers include traits and stances, and are normalized for tanks whose attack power is 75% of the RDM's attack magic potency, using values from these tables)

Enmity generation per action:


Scatter is 130 potency per target.

Flash is about 900 potency per target.
Shield Oathed Flash is about 2065 potency per target.

Overpower is about 900 potency per target.
Deliveranced Overpower is about 945 potency per target.
Defianced Overpower is about 1944 potency per target.

Unleash is about 900 potency per target.
Gritted Unleash is about 1950 potency per target.
Grit+DarkSide Unleash is about 2330 potency per target.


Diversion shouldn't be needed on Scatter spam.

[Khaidal]

(The following numbers include traits and stances, and are normalized for tanks whose attack power is 75% of the RDM's attack magic potency, using values from these tables)

Enmity generation per action:


Diversion shouldn't be needed on Scatter spam.

Edited for post length.

I see now about Scatter. In that case it's bad tanking. More commonly though I see RDMs doing big bursts on bosses right after shield lob and causing all sorts of issues lol.