Vote dismiss abuse by pre-made party

[RemTsuki]

Please address the issue of vote dismiss abuse by pre-made party queuing for dungeons, quite frequently I run into the issue of a pre-made party (2 or 3) badmouthing or harassing a randomly matched person for whatever reason they think of. Submitting a claim to GM always ended up with a generic reply like "we apologize, we will investigate" but it never really fix anything. Here're some suggestion:

1. Pre-made party of 3 queuing into a roulette is not allowed
2. In a Pre-made party of 2 queuing into a roulette dungeon, only 1 vote (from both) will count if a vote dismiss is initiated, the other randomly matched person got another vote
3. If a member is voted dismissed from a roulette (for whatever reason), that person got partial reward credit (exp/gil/seal) depending on the current progress. It's horrible to run to the last boss of a dungeon just to be kicked by some crazy paranoid people and not actually get the full roulette reward.

[Hestzhyen]

In the 3+ years I've been playing this game, I can probably count on my fingers the number of times I've seen or been subjected to the abuse you're describing. When it happens it sucks, but the victims and sympathetic witnesses should report and move on. Punishing the majority of players who want to play together because of a few jerks isn't a fair solution.

Also, people who get kicked for behaviour USUALLY deserve it. I don't want to reward the foul-mouth guy who's griefing us just because we decided not to put up their crap any more and booted him. The current system works for what it's intended for, and since you can't kick more than once every four hours and there's no queue penalty for being booted, I think abuse has been reasonably accounted for. You can't stop players from abusing a good feature- the best you can do is minimize the grief potential and keep the benefits intact.

[Leptorhynchoides]

It sucks, but I personally do not see it happening often. In a year and a half, it only happened with me twice, the last one about two weeks ago.

It was a very weird Temple of the Fist run, none of them said a single word once we got into the dungeon, all 3 of them were full hp at the first boss gate and I pulled it, once the fight was done (without a single problem), they started complaining that I should have waited because one of them was new and votekicked me for harassment, as if I should know that they are communicating with each other beyond my reach. Funny thing is that the two of them who were not new in the instance were there pridely bearing their mentor's crown.

At least I was tank and could get into a new dungeon 5 seconds later.

But I do not see what could really be done about it, unless every single votekick reason is reviewed and verified immediately. Because the premade group could actually be voteckicking for a valid reason.

That is a big problem with MMOs, especially one this size. You have to trust that people will not act unreasonale.

[KDSilver]

Playing for more than 2 years and same as Hestzhyen and Leptorhynchoides, I saw that really rarely.

You can't limit premade parties to prevent this kind of thing.
By the way, you're suggesting taking this measure on roulettes, but people could still queue the dungeon.

Vote kicked abuse should be reported. And people who kick at the end of the dungeon for no reason should get punished for making others waste time.
What GM should do it actually taking into consideration the report made.
Once, I also saw someone being kicked for nothing, but Gm responded that they couldn't do anything cause it's the victim who has to report, not a witness.
Beside changing this, it happens, but rarely, it's sad, but we have to deals with jerks sometimes.

[Krotoan]

I've never had someone kick me, or any FC member without provocation. I've been harassed ("lol your rotation sucks") , but mostly I'll just ignore them and get on with the dungeon and report them if it gets elevated to racism or actual abuse.

Please take this next comment in the spirit it is given, with respect and assumption that you are playing with the best intentions.
If you are repeatedly being reported/kicked, maybe step back and take a look at the way you're playing or what you're saying to others. Once again, i'm not blaming you, but what you do could look differently to other people as abusive or mean. Text does not translate well.

[Pence]

The overwhelming majority of vote kicks I have witness are justified (If not everyone, I can not remember seeing it abused). Rewarding them is a silly idea.

[Katryn]

When it comes to crap like this the question I always ask myself is "Will this matter in six month?". If a random group kicks me here and there in a dungeon, that constitutes a 'no' and I'll move on. If I'm going to report something or get upset about it, it will be something I have a good reason to be upset about. You are allowed to kick for difference of playstyle, and aren't suppose to engage the player before so (doing so leaves room for them to make it look like you harassed them), so for all ya know you're getting kicked because someone didn't like your hat. Take it with a grain of salt and move on.

[Frizze]

If they are actually harassing you(saying mean/offensive things), report them every time. These issues do get investigated, chat logs can be pulled, and even if nothing happens to the person this time its on file that they have a complaint against them. People get suspended and banned for saying abusive things, it just needs to be reported. But they do need to be saying things. Just kicking you from a party isnt automatically abuse. It sucks when it happens, but you do have to move on at some point.

Personally ive never been in a group who kicked someone unless they were afk, disconnected and not coming back, or verbally harassing a party member - nor have i been kicked from a group for any reason other then afk/disconnects.

[Ronai]

It is a load of tripe. I just had it happen for the second time in almost six months now. I was going back and finally cleaning up my GC stuff and had to do aurum vale. The first area is cleared no wipes with safe/medium pulls. lockmith i die because the healer stood in the aoes and didn't fruit his goldlung. so take two and the samurai is downed and i manage to finish locksmith in shield oath which as you know hampers damage but is good for aggro. Next area going for a safe pull, nope they scatter and run around now we have almost 10 enemies on us and I get blamed. Spawn back in and finish and clear the ogre type boss which again sacked the samurai with ton swing. Clear the next area and get to the last set of fruit and morb. I' playing it safe as I can tell they are struggling so I was what little range moves I have to knock the fruit out first and as soon as i pull the last morb before the last boss....kick. This behavior should be banable.

[Besame]

I have not had this happen however, in my old FC they always wanted to replace a pug mid-run if a member logged in and wanted to go. I always told them it was not right, hence, my OLD FC hehe.