Quote Originally Posted by Rowyne View Post
Oh, come on, you didn't even need that many people to get your AF in FFXI. If you did, I would have never completed it.

You can still have a sense of accomplishment without it all being full-party raid content.
You did actually -- At 80 - 85 cap you needed at least 2 full parties for some of the Empyrean +2 items, this is with cheats, by the way. (Atmas and curor buffs) Unless your group was extremely skilled at low-manning content that was designed for full alliances. (However they take forever and a day to do so at that point in time.)

Quote Originally Posted by Malakhim View Post
if they want to thrive alongside other genres of gaming.
MUDs and MMOs thrived just fine, they were a different type of gaming, they didn't have to directly compete or live in harmony with offline games -- I think this is why MMOs have become pretty boring to play lately, they're starting to be designed with less of a social aspect (the whole reason they even existed to begin with) and more of a single player aspect.