Please nerf RDM!

[Sstromquist]

Why do people say Rdm is 2nd strongest dps?? Monk is 2nd highest...

https://www.fflogs.com/statistics/15...unt&dataset=80

At 80th+ percentile, monk beats Rdm.

[HoLoFoNo]

Why do people say Rdm is 2nd strongest dps?? Monk is 2nd highest...

https://www.fflogs.com/statistics/15...unt&dataset=80

At 80th+ percentile, monk beats Rdm.

http://imgur.com/a/pKydy This is a ghetto spreadsheet I did comparing the DPS of each of the classes at all percentiles besides MIN and MAX, as the are outliers. This doesn't include the utility classes provide, however while difficulty is subjective, there is a general consensus on the easier and less punishing and the harder and more strict classes that can't really be argued. Couple that fact with these numbers to understand why there is an imbalance; Why RDM is not only powerful but the only caster that synergises with physical DPS which outnumber casters 2:1 anyway while being stronger than most of the DPS is an issue. BTW RDM can also emergency res and heal.

EDIT: MNK is supposed to be 3rd but that is a typo.

P.S.S: Here is some more info based on the 75th percentiles for DPS and kill times:


SAM = 3604
RDM = 3371
NIN = 3327
DRG = 3141
SMN = 3122
MCH =3103
BRD = 3163
MNK = 3365
BLM = 3238

On a regular 75th percentile susano run rDPS (about 18,750):

RDM + Embolden = 3511
NIN + Trick = 3645(!)
DRG + Litany and Dragon sight = 3,322 (kek)
+ disembowel on a 75th percentile brd (roughly 4% dps) = 3448
SMN + devotion = 3148
MCH + Hypercharge: 3313
BRD + all the shit BRD provides: 3556
MNK + Brofist: 3486
BLM + nothing lel = 3238

Ranking based on total contribution at 75th percentile:

1 - NIN
2 - SAM
3 - BRD
4 - RDM
5 - MNK
6 - DRG
7 - MCH
8 - BLM
9 - SMN

Obviously it isn't this straightforward, but this is just a general idea. This doesn't include non offensive utility (NIN, BRD, RDM, MNK, MCH and SMN) or specific synergy (the casters are the bottom 2, so it doesn't matter anyway) or factor in how lenient these classes are (Ironically the 4 most lenient classes are the top 4 kek) and finally this is the 75th percentile, so this is pretty much someone who knows how to play the game decently but not at the top level where information is spotty due to padding via specific comps and the Balance, I think 95th percentile would be the best test for this so I'll have that info in a jiffy.

[Sstromquist]

I stated 80th percentile and above, meaning people that actually can play their jobs well. Rdm falls behind monk. If you argue lower percentiles, what's the point? People that don't understand the job won't play as well and it all comes down to skill cap and how they benefit from party buffs.

That's the only question I have. Everything else you mentioned, party synergy with melees. Rez and what not, it doesn't matter.

Monk played by good players beats Rdm.

[HoLoFoNo]

I stated 80th percentile and above, meaning people that actually can play their jobs well. Rdm falls behind monk. If you argue lower percentiles, what's the point? People that don't understand the job won't play as well and it all comes down to skill cap and how they benefit from party buffs.

That's the only question I have. Everything else you mentioned, party synergy with melees. Rez and what not, it doesn't matter.

Monk played by good players beats Rdm.

Well first of all, If you wanna play it like that then at the 100th percentile (top dps for the class) RDM beats MNK by about 200 dps.

Second, the whole point is that the class has such a low ceiling and floor, which is why it is an issue RDM being high. This accounts for the majority of percentiles as it shows that on average, RDM does better than MNK. It's not only about knowing how to play your class because fights aren't that nice; Take susano for example. If he decides to rock you you're fucked. MNK loses greased lightning and is SOL without PB. From what I know RDM would likely lose the dualcast proc and that's it, they retain their mana distribution. Being rocked can change you from 95th percentile to 75th, coupled with stuns and pushback rng.

Missing positionals also hampers MNKs dps and with the ridiculous timer of true north coupled with the SB bosses liking to turn, you lose DPS much easier on MNK for example, and it isn't even a hard class. This issue gets compounded with more punishing classes like DRG and SMN and they aren't even close to RDM dps. That is the issue.