Please nerf RDM!

[KuroTenshi]

RDM is too strong at the moment, but it's not that it needs to be nerfed much. (A little) But smn/blm need to actually legitimately take it's place. You can't do one without the other. SMN should come in a little below BLM, and BLM should come in a little below SAM. RDM should come after those two. (Yes RDM needs to be the weakest caster as it has the strongest utility, that doesn't mean it needs to be bard/mch/drg tier, though.)

[Shiroe]

Both rdm and Sam are OP. Nerfing them might not be needed (though, Sam could use a tick more punishment during mechanics). Rdm is ment to be easy, .. but Smn should be on paar dps wise, if not even more at least in aoes. Blm should clearly be above rdm and on par with Sam it's "twin - no utilty" dps, if not even more than Sam (Sam still has the slashing debuff).

Tldr, buff the other classes more, .. and make Sam (and Rdm) just a tick more punished not "nerf their damage". Rdm would still remain "easy", but not to the point, it's not fair for other classes.

[KuroTenshi]

Both rdm and Sam are OP. Nerfing them might not be needed (though, Sam could use a tick more punishment during mechanics). Rdm is ment to be easy, .. but Smn should be on paar dps wise, if not even more at least in aoes. Blm should clearly be above rdm and on par with Sam it's "twin - no utilty" dps, if not even more than Sam (Sam still has the slashing debuff).

Tldr, buff the other classes more, .. and make Sam (and Rdm) just a tick more punished not "nerf their damage". Rdm would still remain "easy", but not to the point, it's not fair for other classes.

Oh god, this is the worst balancing idea I've ever seen. If you're going to do this just nerf the damage instead. That's like saying "Oh you were having fun, well, not anymore!" You should never take quality of life from a class, that's insane.

[Ronzeru]

Yeah, nerf the job that's useful until no one wants to play it anymore! Lower its damage! Take away it's brez and it's heal! It dun need any of it!

[Wavaryen]

Class envy is a fugly thing to watch.

[New_Game_Plus]

Please don't. RDM is fine the way it is. Focus on buffing classes like MCH.

[Sstromquist]

Why do people say Rdm is 2nd strongest dps?? Monk is 2nd highest...

https://www.fflogs.com/statistics/15...unt&dataset=80

At 80th+ percentile, monk beats Rdm.

[Oscura]

Class envy is a fugly thing to watch.

My main class is a Red Mage and I do not see that changing in the foreseeable future.

Sure though, class envy.

[HoLoFoNo]

Why do people say Rdm is 2nd strongest dps?? Monk is 2nd highest...

https://www.fflogs.com/statistics/15...unt&dataset=80

At 80th+ percentile, monk beats Rdm.

http://imgur.com/a/pKydy This is a ghetto spreadsheet I did comparing the DPS of each of the classes at all percentiles besides MIN and MAX, as the are outliers. This doesn't include the utility classes provide, however while difficulty is subjective, there is a general consensus on the easier and less punishing and the harder and more strict classes that can't really be argued. Couple that fact with these numbers to understand why there is an imbalance; Why RDM is not only powerful but the only caster that synergises with physical DPS which outnumber casters 2:1 anyway while being stronger than most of the DPS is an issue. BTW RDM can also emergency res and heal.

EDIT: MNK is supposed to be 3rd but that is a typo.

P.S.S: Here is some more info based on the 75th percentiles for DPS and kill times:


SAM = 3604
RDM = 3371
NIN = 3327
DRG = 3141
SMN = 3122
MCH =3103
BRD = 3163
MNK = 3365
BLM = 3238

On a regular 75th percentile susano run rDPS (about 18,750):

RDM + Embolden = 3511
NIN + Trick = 3645(!)
DRG + Litany and Dragon sight = 3,322 (kek)
+ disembowel on a 75th percentile brd (roughly 4% dps) = 3448
SMN + devotion = 3148
MCH + Hypercharge: 3313
BRD + all the shit BRD provides: 3556
MNK + Brofist: 3486
BLM + nothing lel = 3238

Ranking based on total contribution at 75th percentile:

1 - NIN
2 - SAM
3 - BRD
4 - RDM
5 - MNK
6 - DRG
7 - MCH
8 - BLM
9 - SMN

Obviously it isn't this straightforward, but this is just a general idea. This doesn't include non offensive utility (NIN, BRD, RDM, MNK, MCH and SMN) or specific synergy (the casters are the bottom 2, so it doesn't matter anyway) or factor in how lenient these classes are (Ironically the 4 most lenient classes are the top 4 kek) and finally this is the 75th percentile, so this is pretty much someone who knows how to play the game decently but not at the top level where information is spotty due to padding via specific comps and the Balance, I think 95th percentile would be the best test for this so I'll have that info in a jiffy.

[Shiroe]

Oh god, this is the worst balancing idea I've ever seen. If you're going to do this just nerf the damage instead. That's like saying "Oh you were having fun, well, not anymore!" You should never take quality of life from a class, that's insane.

Rdm and Sam are fine, aside of the fact, that they don't get punished like others .

no class should be perfect all around, each should have some setback, just like having some advantage over others..