Please nerf RDM!

[Kling-Klang]

I already showed the glitch in another thread but here it is again:

This is how you get top fflogs and out dps blm:

You can get into your melee combo much faster like this. You shit out dps.
Imbalance numbers with which you can do this are
52, 53, 54
if you cant do it this early you do it with
65, 66, 67, 68, 69

Japanese dps forum knows about it already, so I assume it will get fixed before omega savage. Most here dont seem to know about it so they assume rdm is OP when the logs and parsers of top rdm are due to this.

Since you can get into melee(+ your finisher) earlier, you can get way more dps out in a 8+min fight than you usually should be able to. With this it is possible to compete with a BLM dps wise.
It is really easy to get the 52-54 value in an opener, after that you need some practice but the ones who put in the work to learn this can do it in a fight rather consistently.

[Duelle]

Since you can get into melee(+ your finisher) earlier, you can get way more dps out in a 8+min fight than you usually should be able to. With this it is possible to compete with a BLM dps wise.
It is really easy to get the 52-54 value in an opener, after that you need some practice but the ones who put in the work to learn this can do it in a fight rather consistently.

That's...a massive oversight. Like, ridiculously big. I'm guessing gauge consumption is affected by the decreases in acquisition when mana is imbalanced. Talk about a mess up. And agree, this'll likely be fixed with patch 4.05. I don't see how they could let RDM enter savage raids with that around.

[Fortune_Cookie]

Also:

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...13#post4303113

TL;DR: Don't bother playing more difficult jobs. You don't get rewarded with higher performance, you only get more opportunities to mess up and perform worse as a result.

Aye, pretty disheartening to read that kind of statement. Can always hope that it's pure spin...

[Wavaryen]

Q5. It was explained that in Patch 4.0 the focus was to reduce the large DPS disparity, but certain jobs feel more reliant on player skill than others. Are certain jobs intended to maintain that difference?

A5. One of the main concepts of FFXIV is that “when playing a job, you experience the uniqueness of that job.”
Due to this, there is a difference in difficulty between the jobs, and it used to be that higher difficulty meant more DPS. We will be scaling down this fact


Good logic to me, Glad the devs feel like this.

Easier and harder should not matter on how well a class does. It is about play style. Some people enjoy tougher classes. Some people don't. Glad the Devs at least understand this common sense.

[Rhyn]

Q5. It was explained that in Patch 4.0 the focus was to reduce the large DPS disparity, but certain jobs feel more reliant on player skill than others. Are certain jobs intended to maintain that difference?

A5. One of the main concepts of FFXIV is that “when playing a job, you experience the uniqueness of that job.”
Due to this, there is a difference in difficulty between the jobs, and it used to be that higher difficulty meant more DPS. We will be scaling down this factor.

Sounds like RDM isn't getting nerfed because it's easy to play.

[Allyrion]

Jobs should never be balanced around difficulty because difficulty is relative. Half the time, the devs have completely different views on what's difficult and players really find a consensus on it.

Moreover, playing a harder Job can be fun and mastering it is reason enough to play. I honestly never understood caring about if the dps next to me was getting more damage with easier rotation. That just means to get better. But no Job should have a superior kit just because it's harder to pull off.

They may not have the balance down yet for SB, but it should be based on personal dps vs rdps (defensive utility a little but that's mostly flavour).


As much as I am into the dps competition (which I am), we're mostly talking about PVE here and as such it's a cooperative game. I think that gets lost a lot, but I for one am happy that there are Jobs that some can pick up, play effectively and contribute when they wouldn't have been able to otherwise on a different Job.

[Dualgunner]

Jobs should never be balanced around difficulty because difficulty is relative. Half the time, the devs have completely different views on what's difficult and players really find a consensus on it.

Memories of the devs disagreeing vehemently with the playerbase on how difficult MCH was at 3.0 come to mind lol. The origin of XIV's "Git gud" meme.

[Core1019]

Also:

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...13#post4303113

TL;DR: Don't bother playing more difficult jobs. You don't get rewarded with higher performance, you only get more opportunities to mess up and perform worse as a result.

Absolutely disgusting.

[Oscura]

Also:

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...13#post4303113

TL;DR: Don't bother playing more difficult jobs. You don't get rewarded with higher performance, you only get more opportunities to mess up and perform worse as a result.

I actually started laughing.

It's a good thing I started playing Red Mage after all.

Time to keep Dragoon in the trash too.

[HoLoFoNo]

Lol once again the players can play NIN better than the Devs (it's so fucking easy how do you mess this up)