Please nerf RDM!

[ClaymoreTheGreat]

I like the way casual ppl crying about RDM xD just git gud

[Schondetta]

. Red Mage as it stands right now is exemplar to what every other class should strive for. Square should look at the red mage now as a example for the other classes that need work. I mean that in every possible way. Not just dps which idc about

[Aerilon]

Is there a way to report stupid useless repetitive topics and threads. Dang.

[Greedalox]

Holy shit so much crying from people who just need to get good. Jesus dude yeah RDM has it easier but BLM and SMN do more damage they just need to learn the fight. This has ALWAYS been the case.

Take a look at logs and you'll see that this couldn't be further from the truth. Even the best BLM's and SMN get outdamaged by the best RDM, and that's not a "l2play" moment.

And nobody is saying nerf RDM because it's easy, they're saying nerf RDM because it never loses momentum on its high damage output due to it's mobility.

[PrismaticDaybreak]

Take a look at logs and you'll see that this couldn't be further from the truth. Even the best BLM's and SMN get outdamaged by the best RDM, and that's not a "l2play" moment.

And nobody is saying nerf RDM because it's easy, they're saying nerf RDM because it never loses momentum on its high damage output due to it's mobility.

I wouldn't say nobody, less people perhaps but a sizeable portion.

[Greedalox]

I wouldn't say nobody, less people perhaps but a sizeable portion.

I'll hand you that one, poor choice of words.

[PrismaticDaybreak]

I'll hand you that one, poor choice of words.

As far as mobility goes, if they raised Jolt, Verfire/stone to the normal base cast time (2.5 seconds as opposed to 2). They'd be a tad more vulnerable to mechanics, at least on the same space as SMN for example, although with the notable difference that'd it'd be similar to if a SMN always chained Ruin 2 right after Ruin. Tbh a minor potency nerf (20-30 range, maybe 40) alongside damage buffs to the underperforming classes seems reasonable, as I said before it's tiring arguing with people who conclude that the only option is nerfing RDM and not going the buff/damage tweak route first, usually espousing the "Content will be too easy" line as if SE is just going to ignore the fact that content would need to be retuned.

[Greedalox]

as I said before it's tiring arguing with people who conclude that the only option is nerfing RDM and not going the buff/damage tweak route first, usually espousing the "Content will be too easy" line as if SE is just going to ignore the fact that content would need to be retuned.

Only buffing would result in content being under tuned and needing to be changed on that front which would probably be more of a beast to tackle than the center of balance being the classes instead of the content.

And damage tweaks are nerfs potentially- which is being called for. You can tweak damage down.

Balance is dynamic- you can "tweak" RDM downwards and "tweak" SMN/BLM upwards, but straight up just flat buffing BLM/SMN would be a nuisance overall for game balance- not class balance.

Nerf is not synonymous with being shit kicked out of relevance.

[Rawrz]

As far as mobility goes, if they raised Jolt, Verfire/stone to the normal base cast time (2.5 seconds as opposed to 2). They'd be a tad more vulnerable to mechanics, at least on the same space as SMN for example, although with the notable difference that'd it'd be similar to if a SMN always chained Ruin 2 right after Ruin. Tbh a minor potency nerf (20-30 range, maybe 40) alongside damage buffs to the underperforming classes seems reasonable, as I said before it's tiring arguing with people who conclude that the only option is nerfing RDM and not going the buff/damage tweak route first, usually espousing the "Content will be too easy" line as if SE is just going to ignore the fact that content would need to be retuned.

I don't mind being nerfed as a RDM, if it happens, so long as it's in damage, not playability. Increased cast times on dualcast fodder would be bad. Increased MP costs would be bad. Decreased utility from a nerf to verraise/vercure/embolden would be really sad.

I feel like RDM should play middle of the pack kid, but because BLM offers so little utility, It's going to become the Sam of casters.

Ideally, as a rdm main:

BLM would be top AoE, Worst Single target [Loud autistic screaming]
RDM second Aoe, RDM second Single target
Smn worst Aoe, SMN highest single target.

In reality though based on the utility RDM brings and the already very strong skills, BLM and SMN possess, It should be something like:

BLM, Highest Single Target, Middle Aoe, No special utility
SMN, Middle Single Target, Best Aoe, Brings utility
RDM, Lowest Single Target, Lowest AOE, Brings best utility.

If they do something like this, I would want buffs to our utility to balance the damage between classes. Embolden up probably, but I'd take a 400-450 potency Vercure any day. ;]

[AureliusDraconium]

so much crying from people who just need to get good. dude yeah RDM has it easier but BLM and SMN do more damage they just need to learn the fight. This has ALWAYS been the case.

Also just from a game design standpoint it's really dumb to make the "easy" classes weak just because they're easy. Not everyone wants to play hard classes and you shouldn't be punishing your player base for not wanting to play harder classes.

Blizzard believes in this too. It's been great for class balance. Why bring a Feral Druid to a fight that is harder to play and bottom of the meters when I can be a 123 Demon hunter and top of the meters? Want to be invited as a Feral to content? Good luck . All classes across the board should either be as simple to play as red mage or be adjusted based on their utility and level of complexity.