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    MidnightTundra's Avatar
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    Luciana Wolf
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    Gilgamesh
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    Black Mage Lv 70
    You truly believe dying on SAM is more punishing than dying on DRG or SMN? I can't say I agree with that one.
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    Thunda_Cat_SMASH's Avatar
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    Sylvana Tenebri
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    Malboro
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    Marauder Lv 79
    Quote Originally Posted by MidnightTundra View Post
    You truly believe dying on SAM is more punishing than dying on DRG or SMN? I can't say I agree with that one.
    I do, after a fashion. Even if they die, they still have Dragon Sight/Litany/Devotion to contribute to their party, though Devotion needs a buff, none of which are 100% requisite of you to be at full power to use them. SAM? No such luck. The second you die is the moment you become a massive liability to the team, because you have no way to contribute to your team other than your extremely hampered personal deeps.
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    Sunako Kirishiki
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    Pictomancer Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Thunda_Cat_SMASH View Post
    I do, after a fashion. Even if they die, they still have Dragon Sight/Litany/Devotion to contribute to their party, though Devotion needs a buff, none of which are 100% requisite of you to be at full power to use them. SAM? No such luck. The second you die is the moment you become a massive liability to the team, because you have no way to contribute to your team other than your extremely hampered personal deeps.
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    Vael Keriun
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    Gunbreaker Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Thunda_Cat_SMASH View Post
    I do, after a fashion. Even if they die, they still have Dragon Sight/Litany/Devotion to contribute to their party, though Devotion needs a buff, none of which are 100% requisite of you to be at full power to use them. SAM? No such luck. The second you die is the moment you become a massive liability to the team, because you have no way to contribute to your team other than your extremely hampered personal deeps.
    You should play SMN and see what happens if you die. You may as well be any other job at that point.
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    Luciana Wolf
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    Gilgamesh
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    Black Mage Lv 70
    So... what I'm reading is everyone else's DPS is negligible when they have weakness because they have buffs.

    Losing 3 eyes out of 4 from death? You're done after that. You die right before a demi-bahamut window? You mind as well go make a sandwich. You have to resummon the pet, start from zero (hope aetherflow isn't on CD!) with no MP to push damage with Ruin III outside Dread Trance.

    Yes. All you bring is damage but keep in mind the jobs I've mentioned deal much, much less damage on weakness from a resulting death because of how their job mechanics work. Their raid utility does not make up for their lack of damage. Their damage is STILL part of the rDPS. Dying on SAM sucks but I get back up and still sustain respectable damage because it's SAM. Dying on SMN before a Demi-Bahamut? I probably shouldn't even be here.
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    Draxis Fallspear
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    Ultros
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    Armorer Lv 60
    I've seen a lot of people mention that BLM had no raid utility. But its unlimited access to mana basically means it is the only class that has a free "goad" in Mana Cede. Sure it's not exclusive, but it is something that they do bring to the table with no cost to them other than maybe one cast in there rotation.
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    Nic Pay
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    White Mage Lv 80
    SE has spoken why is this thread even still going no rdm nerfs in the near future , you guys make me hate whoever created fflogs nobody cares let people enjoy the jobs the way it is and get over it
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    Aqualina Asalani
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    Siren
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    Scholar Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by bswpayton View Post
    SE has spoken why is this thread even still going no rdm nerfs in the near future , you guys make me hate whoever created fflogs nobody cares let people enjoy the jobs the way it is and get over it
    Which is good, and which is also why I dont understand why all these posts keep coming up. They already stated RDM is meant to do what it's doing now basically. So i dont get all the uproar and hate.
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    "What else is darkness but hate and rage? Xehanort is feeding the dark fires within you—making you fight. You'll go astray again. Tell me—how does that honor our Master's memory, Terra?" ~Aqua

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    Qian Meng
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    Sargatanas
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    Red Mage Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by bswpayton View Post
    SE has spoken why is this thread even still going no rdm nerfs in the near future , you guys make me hate whoever created fflogs nobody cares let people enjoy the jobs the way it is and get over it
    What? Where can I find where SE said that RDM is as intended?
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    Angelina Whisperwind
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    Hyperion
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    Miner Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Meng_Qing View Post
    What? Where can I find where SE said that RDM is as intended?
    It was stated in the live letter that RDM and SAM are not getting nerfed. Thanks
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