Please nerf RDM!

[MidnightTundra]

Losing buffs on SAM is no where near as punishing as losing greased lightning III; what are you talking about.

This is coming from someone who plays both MNK and SAM.

[KuroTenshi]

Losing buffs on SAM is no where near as punishing as losing greased lightning III; what are you talking about.

This is coming from someone who plays both MNK and SAM.

How so? It's essentially the same thing, slightly lower numbers I suppose, as on sam it's 20% and 10% vs 30% and 15%. To say it's not similar is insane, it even takes around the same amount of time to get them back. Unless you want to waste a cooldown on it on SAM, in which case said person should probably find another class. XD

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

Unless you want to waste a cooldown on it on SAM, in which case said person should probably find another class. XD

Yeah, using Meikyo for buffs is the biggest DPS loss you can field.

[Janhyua]

Yeah, using Meikyo for buffs is the biggest DPS loss you can field.

Who does that?!?!?!? This trigger me to a whole new level

[Allyrion]

Losing buffs on SAM is no where near as punishing as losing greased lightning III; what are you talking about.

This is coming from someone who plays both MNK and SAM.

I mean, I've mained MNK since ARR launch till recently and I think it's pretty similar.

GL is absolutely a more significant loss as a raw damage buff but there are a lot more factors.

- The fact that GL is both the speed and damage buff works in its favor
- Dragon Kick reapplied much faster than Yukikaze will be in priority (balanced a bit by alternate sources of the slashing debuff)
- Mainly GL upkeep has gotten many QoL improvements so that you don't lose it or you can get it back faster.

There are very few situations where you can't, at the very least, Form Shift to Coerl and basically start at GL1 with DK and Twin snakes immediately following. In the few situations that happen, Perfect Balance should be up.

If we're talking going from zero to GL3 without using anything, MNK is far more punished for sure. But in practice and with competence in planning around the fight, they are very similar. SAM doesn't have tools to avoid ramp up like PB, Form Shift or Riddle of Earth work for MNK (that is not how you use Meikyo Shisui), which is why it evens out despite MNK's longer base ramp up.

[Leonus]

Losing buffs on SAM is no where near as punishing as losing greased lightning III; what are you talking about.

This is coming from someone who plays both MNK and SAM.

Yea I would say Sam looking their buffs isn't completely equal but pretty close to mnk looking gL3. Mnk at least has more tools to negate or mitigate the loss, Sam does not and must start from base all over again.