Please nerf RDM!

[Kahnom]

I believe,"Dualcast" is the key here.Whenever caster move,its dps loss but Dualcast can bypass that and that's why RDM can sustain their high dps while handle the mechanics.They've got access to this "infinite swiftcast" after all.
For casters,high mobility should come with low dps output.its the price to pay but mobility will help sustain dps.
Too bad RDM get both mobility and high potency skills also various raid utility.

I'm not gonna say RDM should get nerf or BLM/SMN should get buffed.
Its not my call and I'm not taking sides.

And what If RDM don't have Dualcast though..Are things gonna be much different ?

[PrismaticDaybreak]

I believe,"Dualcast" is the key here.Whenever caster move,its dps loss but Dualcast can bypass that and that's why RDM can sustain their high dps while handle the mechanics.They've got access to this "infinite swiftcast" after all.
For casters,high mobility should come with low dps output.its the price to pay but mobility will help sustain dps.
Too bad RDM get both mobility and high potency skills also various raid utility.

I'm not gonna say RDM should get nerf or BLM/SMN should get buffed.
Its not my call and I'm not taking sides.

And what If RDM don't have Dualcast though..Are things gonna be much different ?

The class would fundamentally fall apart without dualcast, if you wanted to remove dualcast the way the job plays would have to be entirely redesigned. To go into a bit more depth here: Verthunder and Veraero would be literally unusable unless their potency was practically doubled, making Verfire and Verstone procs useless as well because it'd probably be more efficient to just cast Jolt 2 then Impact over and over again. This would significantly increase the time required to use the melee combo as well. And because Verraise is actually a longer cast time than every other Raise their non DPS related utility would drop like a stone. Yes, Swiftcast, I know. But the instances when Swiftcast are not available would be more excruciating than when other Raise capable classes have to hardcast it. Vercure would likely be left in the corner to gather dust.

[Kahnom]

The class would fundamentally fall apart without dualcast, if you wanted to remove dualcast the way the job plays would have to be entirely redesigned. To go into a bit more depth here: Verthunder and Veraero would be literally unusable unless their potency was practically doubled, making Verfire and Verstone procs useless as well because it'd probably be more efficient to just cast Jolt 2 then Impact over and over again. This would significantly increase the time required to use the melee combo as well. And because Verraise is actually a longer cast time than every other Raise their non DPS related utility would drop like a stone. Yes, Swiftcast, I know. But the instances when Swiftcast are not available would be more excruciating than when other Raise capable classes have to hardcast it. Vercure would likely be left in the corner to gather dust.

I understand that Dualcast is RDM's signature,it should not be removed.But you can't deny that with all that much mobility and the offensive spells's potency are kinda too high ? The only solution I can think of is reduce the potency down A BIT.Just a bit and lets see if its work out or not.

[PrismaticDaybreak]

I understand that Dualcast is RDM's signature,it should not be removed.But you can't deny that with all that much mobility and the offensive spells's potency are kinda too high ? The only solution I can think of is reduce the potency down A BIT.Just a bit and lets see if its work out or not.

I mean honestly I don't disagree, but they still need to bring other classes up a tad, in some cases quite a bit.

[Kahnom]

I mean honestly I don't disagree, but they still need to bring other classes up a tad, in some cases quite a bit.

I agree about about buffing some jobs.Lets cross our fingered and wait for patch 4.05.

[wereotter]

Summoners, actually, have MUCH higher mobility than Red Mages do. Here's why:

Your dots don't care if you're moving. They keep ticking. Also Bio is an instant cast if it's about to fall off.

Your pet doesn't care if you're moving. It will keep attacking while you move.

You have access to Ruin 2 which enables you to instant cast your primary damage spell for slightly more MP.

Red Mage has dual cast enabling it to move for one GCD until it has to start casting again. You have no DOTs so as soon as you stop casting, you stop dealing damage.

I'd also point out those first two points also apply to summoners raising party members. Red Mages literally stop doing all damage when they raise. Summoners are still putting out damage even if they have to hard cast a raise.

[LunarEmerald]

Summoners, actually, have MUCH higher mobility than Red Mages do. Here's why:

Your dots don't care if you're moving. They keep ticking. Also Bio is an instant cast if it's about to fall off.

Your pet doesn't care if you're moving. It will keep attacking while you move.

You have access to Ruin 2 which enables you to instant cast your primary damage spell for slightly more MP.

Red Mage has dual cast enabling it to move for one GCD until it has to start casting again. You have no DOTs so as soon as you stop casting, you stop dealing damage.

I'd also point out those first two points also apply to summoners raising party members. Red Mages literally stop doing all damage when they raise. Summoners are still putting out damage even if they have to hard cast a raise.

Red Mage also has two powerful ocds with short cds that are pretty much frontloaded dots.

[Fluffernuff]

Red Mage also has two powerful ocds with short cds that are pretty much frontloaded dots.

By that logic, ALL abilities and weaponskills are "frontloaded dots". the heck kind of rebuttal is that? That's reaching so hard, Inspector Gadget would be envious.

[Aqua_Amaiyo]

Summoners, actually, have MUCH higher mobility than Red Mages do. Here's why:

Your dots don't care if you're moving. They keep ticking. Also Bio is an instant cast if it's about to fall off.

Your pet doesn't care if you're moving. It will keep attacking while you move.

You have access to Ruin 2 which enables you to instant cast your primary damage spell for slightly more MP.

Red Mage has dual cast enabling it to move for one GCD until it has to start casting again. You have no DOTs so as soon as you stop casting, you stop dealing damage.

I'd also point out those first two points also apply to summoners raising party members. Red Mages literally stop doing all damage when they raise. Summoners are still putting out damage even if they have to hard cast a raise.

TBH, after reading that, and even as playing a SMN of my own, he makes a valid point. Are there situations we as a SMN need to stand still and cast? Absolutely. I mean if you're moving the entire time as a SMN then its a DPS loss, but when compared to BLM, it's punished the hardest for having to move. As of now the entire DoM jobs are jacked up.

Personally in my opinion (see, it's an opinion. Learn to disagree or agree, but it's part of being able to converse) I see the ratings should go:

BLM should go back to being the King of Single target DPS for Magic, 2nd in AOE Damage, with the only utility being giving Mana to healers (even tho its a role skill). Honestly I also feel their damage should be on par at least to some extent to SAM

SMN needs a buff, like back, and deserves to be King of AoE again, because it only makes logical sense compared to RDM and BLM, with their utility and (GIVE US BACK SUSTAIN and at least buff Bane a bit, I mean geez)

RDM should be 2nd only to BLM in single target DPS, and the Jack of All Trades, with the lowest in AOE damage, but has the highest utility in being able to raise and cure. But even with that, having to stop to Raise or Cure anyone, would be the same as if a BLM were able to do the same thing, a huge DPS loss regardless of mobility or damage.

So personally, RDM feels fine where it is, BLM and SMN are in need of buffs if anything (esp SMN)