Love these arguments (sarcasm) because both sides have such strong emotions about their point of views to the point they will not listen to the other side because they will consider them "whinners" or "white-knights" or something similar. In the end it goes no where and everyone thinks their view on the matter is right and everyone else who doesn't believe as they do is wrong. Threads like these quickly devolve into slugfests of emotions that trolls enjoy and giggle about as each side tries to argue their points, but will not consider any counter points the other side offers. Both arguments will also lose all factual information and turn quickly to oppinions at best because in the end that is all anyone has.