Take it easy, Tanks.

[RyuDragnier]

The healer only wins that game if the tank stops pulling large, a tank can very well continue to pull and die if they want to challenge you.

Power plays don't do anyone any good and are bad for parties in general.

Just to note, you can and will get vote dismissed if you keep trying, since you'll be wasting everybody's time. And trust me, rather than spend all that time waiting for the tank to get a brain, the healer or DPS, whose times are being wasted, may just start a vote kick which you will probably lose, especially in prime time. Remember, to anybody who has an FC with 4-5 tanks, the current bad tank is easily replaceable. And to the DPS who don't, they may kick you just to leave so they can party up with a healer to avoid the queue time.

[Fortune_Cookie]

These discussions tend to overlook the other half of the party. If the dps don't or can't burst down a big pull, you're risking a wipe for little to no gain.

But if your damage is up to scratch it's really a no-brainer. A dungeon is basically no more than a set amount of damage the party needs to deal. Even with potency fall-off, dps increases with the number of mobs in the pull so the more you pull (without wiping obviously) the better. You lose some of the healer's damage output, but there won't be many scenarios where that outweighs the extra damage done by 2 dps and the tank.

[winsock]

Just to note, you can and will get vote dismissed if you keep trying, since you'll be wasting everybody's time. And trust me, rather than spend all that time waiting for the tank to get a brain, the healer or DPS, whose times are being wasted, may just start a vote kick which you will probably lose, especially in prime time. Remember, to anybody who has an FC with 4-5 tanks, the current bad tank is easily replaceable. And to the DPS who don't, they may kick you just to leave so they can party up with a healer to avoid the queue time.

You can easily be kicked and replaced as well for not healing out of spite. Also, I will be able to instantly get a new group if kicked.

Power plays are no good for parties. You shouldnt make them regardless of class/job

[Silver-Strider]

There's a lot to consider.
Is the tank a marathon puller in STR accessories perpetually stuck in their offensive stance, not popping CDs?
Are the DPS on par to handle the pull?
Are people standing in stupid?

It's 1 thing to expect the healer to heal. It's an entirely different thing when you expect them to carry.
Incompetent tanks/DPS will murder your MP usage and leave little time to do much else except spam heals and even then, if everyone is lacking and just eating every AoE then it's a group issue that needs to be addressed because healers only have so many oGCDs at their disposal to keep everyone up. I've let people that repeatedly stand in stupid die until they got the message that AoEs are bad and to hell with what they say about it.

[Sebazy]

I just watch the party and if I'm unsure, I'll ask.

Tell tale signs I look for, are the other people in the group running ahead as I flash the first pack? Are they AoEing effectively? Is the healer moving and acting with confidence and purpose?

[ManuelBravo]

If your a healer speak up and let them know how many sets you can take. Also some tanks are just lack common sense. I do have healing experience, tank to get daily done, yet prefer to DPS. Your right some tanks lack common sense and communication. What sad is if you do keep up they can't keep hate properly and blame the healer.

As a tank ask if its ok, doesn't take but a few seconds.

If a healer speak up.

As a DPS be well geared or let them know your a bit under gear so do a DPS gauge pull first.

[RyuDragnier]

You can easily be kicked and replaced as well for not healing out of spite. Also, I will be able to instantly get a new group if kicked.

Power plays are no good for parties. You shouldnt make them regardless of class/job

Oh I don't mean not healing at all. I mean if you keep falling despite me trying my hardest yet you're still heavy pulling. I've seen multiple tanks do this at endgame and we've had to kick them because they're making an 18 minute dungeon take 30 minutes. Because there's a difference between pulling multiple mobs and you popping cooldowns and you pulling them and not using cooldowns. I will not have a tank drive me up the wall insane because he keeps falling due to his own fault of not using cooldowns.

I do apologize however for making it seem like I meant not healing in general. That was not my intention, I've just had too many bad tanks at endgame heavy pulling and it's really irritating the hell out of me.

[bounddreamer]

You can easily be kicked and replaced as well for not healing out of spite. Also, I will be able to instantly get a new group if kicked.

Power plays are no good for parties. You shouldnt make them regardless of class/job

Is it really a power play to make a request, see it ignored, stop action until combat is over, attempt to find resolution, be ignored again, then turn to the vote dismiss feature as a resolution?

If the two people are that incompatible with each other it only makes sense to dismiss one, who is able to requeue with no penalty. Vote dismiss is available for many reasons.

I've lost track how many times I've joined parties in progress who left because the tank overpulled, and the party was grateful to see a tank come in who was prepared to work with the party rather than coming in as a little tinpot dictator.

Personally as someone who has tanked and healed leveling dungeons from ARR up through the current expansion, I won't pull multiple packs in leveling dungeons unless it a) makes sense and b) I'm asked.

And I have not ONCE been chewed out for that.

[winsock]

Is it really a power play to make a request, see it ignored, stop action until combat is over, attempt to find resolution, be ignored again, then turn to the vote dismiss feature as a resolution?

Vote dismiss is not inherently bad and generally not a power play. I think you may have pushed the original points too far into the the abstract.

It is generally a bad idea to hold your role over someone else's head to get them to do what you want. If a bad party member needs to be kicked, that will happen regardless of your role.

If the party member is performing their role, just in a way that you dont find preferable, it is in bad taste to try to use your role as a means persuading them. If this escalates into a vote dismiss of either you or the other player, it is unfortunate, and pulls your entire party into drama that could have otherwise been avoided.

[HyoMinPark]

Im actually not any biiig pull in a dungeon that can possibly done Ive done them, I use to do small pulls as I started off as a healer first but what I realized was that big pulls was apart of the game and I had to get use to them so everyone else should as well. The issue is that lots of tanks dont use their invincible when they should hg, living dead ,etc and healers dont use rouse on scholar, the new divine seal etc we have the tools for these pulls people just dont plan for them when they should because its standard practice by now

Sorry, no. I disagree with this. Just because you play one way does not mean that you can force your playstyle on others, or tell others that they just need to get used to it. That goes for everyone. When you are paired with randoms, you need to take several things into consideration when doing large pulls versus small pulls.
--Party comp? Do we have good AOE? Are your DPS actually using their AOE?
--Are you geared? Can you handle the pull? Do you have cooldowns for the pull? How about after for the next pull?
--Is your healer geared? Can they handle the pull? Are you doing content that gives them access to their own major cooldowns (Bene, Tetra, Lustrate, etc.)?