Take it easy, Tanks.

[MoroMurasaki]

There's this ridiculous idea that it's faster to do big pulls with every party composition.

But I find it hard to believe that a party with two dps that come with low aoe capabilities clears faster with big pulls but no healer dps, than small pulls with healer dps.
I often find myself in a situation where I can't dps because I have to spamheal, and the pull actually takes forever to clear, sometimes to the point where I almost run out of MP just from spamming heals.

On the other hand, smaller pulls allow me to keep the tank up with HoTs and ogcds and I get to spam my broken aoe spell and everything just melts.

Small pulls are okay. I actually enjoy them far more. Just spamming Benefic II just to keep the tank alive is actually not fun for me. I'd like to use all my abilities.
It's also great if I get some time to manage my cards so I have at least one Balance combo for the boss.

Tanks really need to learn their and the party's limits.
And realize that it's okay to pull smaller packs sometimes.

I agree with this 100%, I just personally feel like on a 2 pack pull I can still DPS (in general, obviously not always the case based on the mobs/my level) and it goes faster than single pulls. Again, generalization.

I also think party composition should play a huge role here. When you have double monk maybe don't run from boss to boss.

Sadly these things are too nuanced for a lot of DF tanks apparently.

Also I didn't want to bring up the ability to DPS more because with the people who I've seen in this thread I don't want it to get derailed into another healer DPS debate.

[Maeka]

Slightly Off-Topic, but not quite off-topic, someone in the thread has this as their signature:

Players: "OMG stupid healers, why aren't you DPSing more? *kick*"
Also Players: "OMG stupid healers, why are you DPSing so much? *kick*"
Still Players: "How come more people aren't playing healers?"

I would also like to add to this:

Players: "OMG, stupid tanks, why aren't you pulling multiples!? *kick*"
Also Players: "OMG, stupid tanks, why aren't you pulling more!? *kick*"
Still Players: "How come more people aren't playing tanks?"

[Jas710]

Slightly Off-Topic, but not quite off-topic, someone in the thread has this as their signature:



I would also like to add to this:

Players: "OMG, stupid tanks, why aren't you pulling multiples!? *kick*"
Also Players: "OMG, stupid tanks, why aren't you pulling more!? *kick*"
Still Players: "How come more people aren't playing tanks?"

That about sums up every tank/healer thread. They aren't fun because of the job design. It's the community that is the root of this bullshit.

[Maeka]

That about sums up every tank/healer thread. They aren't fun because of the job design. It's the community that is the root of this bullshit.

They are plenty fun because of job design.

They are not, however, fun because of the playerbase whining at us. I enjoy tanking. I enjoy my job's abilities and buttons. I enjoy the role itself and what it entails. I don't, however, enjoy people complaining when my pacing isn't to their liking.

I thoroughly enjoy myself when my group lets me do what I wanna do.

[Kyrph]

That about sums up every tank/healer thread. They aren't fun because of the job design. It's the community that is the root of this bullshit.

I completely agree with this. I always have fun while I am tanking but it just takes one person to whine and complain about if I pull to much or pull to little even if it is just the first pull and I am trying to get a feel for the healer and dps. Then come to the forums and complain about it. Even when I am doing my job right by holding threat and not taking to much damage I still get people complaining I am not in my tank stance.

[Tridus]

Slightly Off-Topic, but not quite off-topic, someone in the thread has this as their signature:



I would also like to add to this:

Players: "OMG, stupid tanks, why aren't you pulling multiples!? *kick*"
Also Players: "OMG, stupid tanks, why aren't you pulling more!? *kick*"
Still Players: "How come more people aren't playing tanks?"

As the one who got quoted in that... yup. It annoys me a lot as a healer, but the only party I've ever been kicked from? Tanking Brayflox on-level when levelling my Paladin. Did a double pull, and got squashed. So did single pulls. Halfway through, got kicked without a word. Considering how long it takes to find another tank when you're that far into a dungeon, I'm really not sure how they thought that was better than simply doing the pull size that wasn't resulting in wipes.Running back is NOT faster than single pulling, especially since it's so easy for healers to contribute a lot of DPS to single pulls (with the relatively low healing requirements).

I've seen a lot of nice folks in the community of this game, but some of the decision making just makes no sense at all.

[Ftail]

As the one who got quoted in that... yup. It annoys me a lot as a healer, but the only party I've ever been kicked from? Tanking Brayflox on-level when levelling my Paladin. Did a double pull, and got squashed. So did single pulls. Halfway through, got kicked without a word. Considering how long it takes to find another tank when you're that far into a dungeon, I'm really not sure how they thought that was better than simply doing the pull size that wasn't resulting in wipes.Running back is NOT faster than single pulling, especially since it's so easy for healers to contribute a lot of DPS to single pulls (with the relatively low healing requirements).

I've seen a lot of nice folks in the community of this game, but some of the decision making just makes no sense at all.

It probably took them only a single minute to find another tank, if you are already inside the dungeon you get priority above other people for getting party members.

Edit: SE takes kick abuse seriously, did you remember to report them?

[Tridus]

It probably took them only a single minute to find another tank, if you are already inside the dungeon you get priority above other people for getting party members.

Edit: SE takes kick abuse seriously, did you remember to report them?

That hasn't been my experience, but it has been quite a while since I kicked anyone except for disconnects (which was pretty common when the servers were creaky and not since).

I didn't report them. I was newbie tanking at the time and it was pretty frustrating. By time I thought of it, that had passed and it wasn't worth the effort. Haven't had a problem since, so I think it was just an isolated thing.

[Jas710]

1. I pull as little as possible to see if the healer becomes compelled to ask to pull bigger.

2. If they ask nice, I'll comply. If they are dicks about it, I continue with my current pace.

If a DPS opens their mouths, they don't exist.

[Tridus]

1. I pull as little as possible to see if the healer becomes compelled to ask to pull bigger.

2. If they ask nice, I'll comply. If they are dicks about it, I continue with my current pace.

If a DPS opens their mouths, they don't exist.

Amusingly, I'd never say anything in that case. You're comfortable single pulling? Cool. It pretty much guarantees a smooth run and I'm going to blast the hell out of stuff.

It's when people big pull while in Shire gear in Doma Castle and I can't do anything except use every GCD on Cure 2 without them dying that I get frustrated.