Tanks and super pulls

[Shurrikhan]

Smart pulling is assessing the level of content, the group performance and enemy grouping. You mass pull in lower level content and it could mean death depending on what skills are available. Sure if the group can handle it, its wonderful but tanks have a tendency to keep trying for this even when its obvious the group can't handle this.

Review Forte's post above.

Also the optimization crap from last expac was criminal. I had never seen people as ostracized and criticized as i did in that expansion over aggro management and enabling other roles' dps.

If your job is to provide damage and you're purposely ignoring tools that provide damage, albeit through someone else, then why wouldn't you be criticized for not using, say, Diversion? By all means, complain about them being part of your dps kit as one might complain about Battle Voice or any other raid buff, but they do provide dps; it's not out of role for you to be expected to use them. (Granted, I wasn't especially sad to see that skill go since it felt like bloat to me; its play just wasn't attractive enough to warrant its button, even if I did like the variance it tossed the tank's way.)

When a WHM is shirked during a regular dungeon run because she did TOO MUCH DPS and grabbed aggro from the tank...That is not about being a good player. That is unacceptable behavior.

I'm not sure that term means what you think it means. And whose behavior was unacceptable here? Did the tank actually Shirk the healer? If so, sure, that's trolling and unacceptable, but hardly a case for being in or out "of role". The healer who pulled off the tank was playing unacceptably? I'd disagree. The undergeared and/or incompetent tank who let the healer take aggro by not using his stance or a single enmity skill? I'd agree, since healers had no enmity mitigation (only an enmity purge that would likely also overcap their MP).

But that last one honestly... is also about being a bad player. No one goes into a dungeon undergeared, to the point that their unmodified enmity will not possibly match the damage+healing of their healer even without overheals, and refuses to modify their enmity on principle alone (especially since that'd mean purposely neglecting their AoE skills). Ignorance and/or stupidity definitely played some part. That's not optimization at that point. It's not even an imitation of optimization.