Tanks and super pulls

[Okamimaru]

I personally don't like super pulls myself ( the reason I won't heal) but I've learned to adapt... what really kills me tho is "super tanks" who rush into a boss when the healer has no mp or dps has no tp... at that point you're just a dumbass... check people's tp/mp BEFORE pulling the boss...

[Laerune]

Community created this mentalty that Tanks have. In the second year of ARR, we started seeing groups demanding the tanks to keep pulling more and more and in Heavensward, this became a standard (end of Heavensward we saw that community started to demand healers to deal damage aswell), I am afraid this is a change that wont be fixed from the playerbase side.

Personaly, I pull two groups and if the healer is up to it and the DPS deal decent damage, then I do these super pulls.

[SeriousxSarcasm]

Also to add my 2 cents: I feel you OP. Having leveled tank myself though, I can say it's not entirely their fault. Lots of DPS and Healers force that sort of mentality on tanks early (pulling more mobs without asking. Blaming them when they can't compensate or if they dont know how to get them off the party yet).

Personally, I never enter a dungeon/raid without tank/healer FC team anymore. We know each other, we know what we can handle. And if we get a pissy DPS it's no sweat lol.

[winsock]

but the one that assumes we just spam cure II like its candy and its no big deal? Is going to cost you dearly.

To be fair, as tanks, we need to make certain assumptions about our healers. If I pull 1 group at a time, someone will be unhappy. If I pull large, someone will be unhappy. Etc.

In general, I approach pull size by assuming the healer is at least reliable enough to spam cure II, then play it by ear. If a healer is not capable of pressing 1 button repeatedly, I do assume they are a bad healer. Not much room left to define 'bad' when the bar is set that low

If you can't be bothered to press 1 button repeatedly, maybe tv is a better option than FFXIV?

[NephthysVasudan]

If you can't be bothered to press 1 button repeatedly, maybe tv is a better option than FFXIV?

This is exactly why I have problems with people who think like this.

-Neph

[silverlunarfox]

This is exactly why I have problems with people who think like this.

-Neph

no....i like needlessly spam healing with[insert basic cure spell here].....

Tanks that have this mentality is why I started tanking.

It's not good for the team as a whole.

[NephthysVasudan]

no....i like needlessly spam healing with[insert basic cure spell here].....

Tanks that have this mentality is why I started tanking.

It's not good for the team as a whole.

Ditto...as much as I adore my white mage.....and my black mage in-spite of the long ass queues (pardon my french) - I too have started tanking.

And if they don't like how I pull....they can leave....because that's just how i feel about it. (Now if they ask to pull harder..ill pull harder...the key point here is...They asked for it...as a courtesy)
I'll take some credit for not being the kind of healer that would let these foolish tanks die...for their stupidity....because that's not the right thing to do...so I give it my best shot..in-spite of it.
Because its about the party as a whole..not about the tank. Exhausted or not....frustrated or not...I did my job..and we usually succeed...doesn't mean I have to like it...but I rest easy for it.

-Neph

[silverlunarfox]

Ditto...as much as I adore my white mage.....and my black mage in-spite of the long ass queues (pardon my french) - I too have started tanking.

And if they don't like how I pull....they can leave....because that's just how i feel about it. (Now if they ask to pull harder..ill pull harder...the key point here is...They asked for it...as a courtesy)
I'll take some credit for not being the kind of healer that would let these foolish tanks die...for their stupidity....because that's not the right thing to do...so I give it my best shot..in-spite of it.
Because its about the party as a whole..not about the tank. Exhausted or not....frustrated or not...I did my job..and we usually succeed...doesn't mean I have to like it...but I rest easy for it.

-Neph

You are exactly like me, except for the blm thing XP I wish I liked it more.

[winsock]

This is exactly why I have problems with people who think like this.

-Neph

That's pretty vague. What do you believe I should do differently?

I need to be able to guestimate how skilled the healer is in order to do my job well. How do you propose I support my party as a tank without getting a feel for the healers skill level? If I ignore a bad healer's skill. We will continually wipe because they won't be able to heal my pulls. If I ignore a good healers skill, we wont be able to capitalize on that as a party.

[NephthysVasudan]

That's pretty vague. What do you believe I should do differently?

I need to be able to guestimate how skilled the healer is in order to do my job well. How do you propose I support my party as a tank without getting a feel for the healers skill level? If I ignore a bad healer's skill. We will continually wipe because they won't be able to heal my pulls. If I ignore a good healers skill, we wont be able to capitalize on that as a party.

I find it funny that you have to "guess" to do your job.

Maybe you should do something about that.

Try communicating.

-Neph